Guest guest Posted May 4, 2001 Report Share Posted May 4, 2001 From Todd: I also do think we need to reconsider when it is truly appropriate to apply kidney tonics short of gross pathology (which might result, horror of horrors, in giving herbal GH releasers without the support of conventional lab tests). 's post triggered this thought: Within TCM's sister arts of ayurveda and tibetan medicine, there seems to be a relativity greater amount science and knowledge devote to longevity remedies. In particular ayurveda's chavanprash and the tibetan alchemical mercury pills being the most notable in my mind. I get the impression that longevity tonics like these, are equally accessible to both general public and the professional practitioner alike. If that is so, than I feel there is probably more iatarogenic cases among layperson use than professional use. Now my question is: Does Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine have a body of philosophy about using longevity tonics, such as chavanaprash and the mercury pills, without gross pathology? Some of the product literature and articles about the remedies I have read, would imply that this is the case. My thinking is that this is not the case, and that ayurvedic and Tibet doctors would say something similar. Any insight from you (ie. Todd) or the list members. Malino _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 >From Todd: I also do think we need to reconsider when it is truly appropriate to apply kidney tonics short of gross pathology (which might result, horror of horrors, in giving herbal GH releasers without the support of conventional lab tests). 's post triggered this thought: Within TCM's sister arts of ayurveda and tibetan medicine, there seems to be a relativity greater amount science and knowledge devote to longevity remedies. In particular ayurveda's chavanprash and the tibetan alchemical mercury pills being the most notable in my mind. I get the impression that longevity tonics like these, are equally accessible to both general public and the professional practitioner alike. If that is so, than I feel there is probably more iatarogenic cases among layperson use than professional use. Now my question is: Does Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine have a body of philosophy about using longevity tonics, such as chavanaprash and the mercury pills, without gross pathology? Some of the product literature and articles about the remedies I have read, would imply that this is the case. My thinking is that this is not the case, and that ayurvedic and Tibet doctors would say something similar. Any insight from you (ie. Todd) or the list members. Malino This is an extreamly good question and I feel that the answer may partly lie in a system of medicine closely related to both TCM and Ayurveda and that is Unani medicine. This form of medicine utilizes all forms (VEGI ANIMAL MINERAL) in its pharmacopea but the most popular remedies are longevity recipies that can be used safely by both practitioners (Hakims) and the general public. Many of the formula's contain kideny tonics, nutrative ingredients and digestive stimulants all in one. Some are atributed to the great figures of this system eg Galen and have survived up to the present. This is one that I use daily in my practice mainly for liver and digestive disharmony. I wrote this for a talk to some Pakistani medical doctor's so i have cut traditional definitions down to the bare minimum but as many of you will notice many of the ingredients are used in Tcm. Sorry the foot notes did not come through. Hakim. Mohammad Kassem JAWARISH36 JALINUS37 جوارش‮ ‬جالينوس GALEN’S ELECTUARY HISTORICAL BACKGROUND This formula, attributed to the Greek physician Galan, has been utilised in the same form for just under two thousand years. CONSTITUENTS Jawarish Jalinus is composed of eighteen botanicals. (1) VALARIANA HARDWICKII (ASARUN) Indian Valarian See VALARIANA OFFICINALIS (2) ELETTARIA CARDOMOMUM (ILAICHI KHURD) Green Cardamom A member of the ginger family this herb has seemingly contradictory uses for it is used both as a stimulating, warming digestive aid and also as a refrigerant. This contradiction is probably due to the constituents found in the essential oil.38 In UIM it used in “windâ€39 conditions associated with any organ for example asthma and bronchitis in “lung windâ€. Elettaria is also considered as an aphrodisiac . Since the time of the ancient Greeks this remedy has been used for digestive problems particularly those with wind, griping and colicky pain. It is an excellent Carminative and Antispasmodic40. Often administered with purgatives to prevent gripping. Uses include Atonic Dyspepsia, Flatulent colic, Spasmodic affections of the bowels. UIM also records its use in Nervous Depression. The decoction is an effective Anti-nausient and Anti-emetic41. VALERIANA OFFICINALIS (BALCHAR) Valerian One of the most famous and most utilised botanical’s in modern times, Valeriana was known and used extensively by all ancient herbal medical systems. In UIM it is valued most as a digestive tonic. The well known Antispasmodic and generally sedative action help to achieve the overall tonic affect of this formula on the digestive system, as spasmodic pain often accompanies affections of this system. PIPER LONGUM (PIPAL KALAN) Long Pepper See Majun Filasfa CINNAMOMUM CASSIA (TAJ) Chinese Cinnamon Chinese Cinnamomum is harvested from the wild and is also cultivated for its bark in China. Long used both as a medicinal substance and a condiment, Cinnamomum aids digestion. It is described by UIM as a stomachic and carminative. Used in flatulent dyspepsia and irritable bowel syndromes. Cinnamomum essential oils exhibit antibiotic, antifungal and anti viral activities.42 The bacteriostatic activity of these oils is similar to benzioc acid43. Compounds isolated from Cinnamomum Cassia have been shown to be effective in preventing ulcerogenesis induced by a number of ulcerogens44 . SWERTIA CHIRATA (CHIRAITA) Swertia, East Indian Balmony Swertia is a very bitter botanical and as with all bitters it is used as a digestive stimulant. The British medics in India considered it an adequate substitute to Gentiana45 as a bitter tonic in gastrointestinal atony, debility of convalecence, dyspepsia, anorexia associated with general debility.46 The traditional uses of this botanical as a Stomachic, digestive tonic and hepato protective4748 agent has been validated to some extent. As with Cinnamomum, Swertia has been found to exert anti ulcerogenic effects. Swertia reduced the intensity of gastric mucosal damage induced by indomethacin and necrotising agents49 supporting the use of Swertia for the treatment of gastric ulcers in traditional medicine. MYRTUS COMMUNIS (HAB-UL-AS) Myrtle Myrtus is carminative, anti dysenteric and anti diarrhoeal.50 Has shown antimicrobial activity in the laboratory. Some of the constituents reflect its traditional use, for example Tannins.51 ALPINIA GALANGAL (KHULANJAN) Galangal This Rhizome which is similar to that of ginger has been used in Europe as a spice for over a thousand years.52 The common name ‘galangal’ is derived from the Arabic ‘khulanjan’ which is perhaps a perversion of the Chinese ‘kao lian kian’ meaning mild ginger. The Plant is widely distributed in tropical parts such as South Bengal, South India, Java, Sumatra, Malay peninsular and Thailand, where it plays a great role in both indigenous medicines and as a culinary item. Alpinia is used in UIM as an Aromatic, Stimulant, Stomachic, Carminative and Anti tubercular.53 Galangal is reported to have a slight irritant effect on gastric mucosa54 and produces a reflex increase in bronchial secretion.55 UIM utilises this botanical mainly in respiratory complaints such Asthma, Bronchitis, Bronchial catarrh and Whopping cough.56 Western herbalism regards this botanical more as a digestive and intestinal agent used specifically to relieve colic and flatulence.57 Modern research has shown good Anthelmintic action against human Ascaris lumbricoides58 and anti-microbial activity against candida albicans.59 ZINGIBER OFFICINALIS dried (SONT) Ginger (See Majun Filasfa) CINNAMOMUM OFFICINALIS (DARCHINI) Cinnamon (See Above Cinnamomum Cassia) CYPERUS SCARIOSUS (NAGAMOTHA) Nut grass A variety of this family of Nut grass are used in medications for the liver and digestive system. Some research has confirmed a hepatoprotectivity60 action and antiinflammatory activity. BALSOMADENDRON61 OPOBALSAMUM (OOD I BALSAN) Balm of Gilead Like many of the other “balsams†this botanical is expectorant and antiseptic. In UIM it is used to purge Phlegm from the upper respiratory tract. Attention has been giving recently to it potential as a hypotensive agent.62 PIPER NIGRUM (FILFIL-SIYAH) Black Pepper (See Majun Filasfa) SYZYGIUM AROMATICUM (QARANFIL) Cloves Cloves have been employed as medicine and valued as a condiment by all ancient cultures of the old world. Hot and dry in the third degree, cloves are used by Hakims as a carminative ingredient in many digestive formula. Antiseptic,63 antifungal, antioxidant64 and even anti viral65 66 actions have been elucidated by biochemical analysis of the spice. All of the studies confirm its use in combating digestive infections, dispelling flatulence and as a topical antifungal effective against tinea and other types of dermatomycosis. The antioxidant activity of this and other dietary spices suggests that in addition to flavour they posses potential health benefits by inhibiting lipid peroxidation.67 SAUSSUREA LAPPA (QUST SHIRIN) Costus Sausserea is used as a digestive and bronchial relaxant. Hakims consider it to be tonic for the liver, brain and heart. PISTACIA LENTISCUS (MASTIGI) Gum Mastic, Lentisk Mastic is a resinous exudation from this tree, only cultivated in twenty one villages on the Greek island of Chios. Harvesting the gum involves making incisions in the trunk or large branches. The gum then exudes either hardening on the bark in tear like clumps or falls onto cloths placed on the ground. The gum is light yellow and should be nearly odorless. The gum is mentioned by nearly all the ancient herbalists for example Dioscorides states that it is binding in nature and is usefull in dysentary. Theophrastus and Pliny say much the same. Mastic gum has been chewed by women to “sweetan†the breath and to treat pyorrhoea. Indeed Mastic is from the greek to “chewâ€. In the early days of dentistry it was used to treat pain and act as a temporary filling for carious teeth. Mastic gum is highly prized in UIM as a tonic for the digestive system. It is considerd demulcent, carminative and anti-inlfammatory through out the intestinal system. Particularly used for catarrh from internal organs ie mucous colitis or levels of irritable bowel syndrome. In the respritory system it used as a demulcent and expectorant usefull in bronchial catarrh. In the gentiourinary system it is used as tonic helping in enuresis or catarrhal discharge. The in vitro anti-microbial activity of P. Lentiscus L extracts aginst Sarcina lutea, Staphylococcus aureus, Escherichia coli and fungi such as Candida albicans, Candida prapsilosis, Torulopsis glabrata, Cryptococcus neoformans, has been demonstrated. The anti fungal activity is particulaly interesting.68 Evaluation of the crude drug obtained from Pistacia lentiscus for gastric and duodenal anti-ulcer activity has been done. The results suggest mild antisecreatory and a localized adaptive cytoprotective action may be responsible for this anti-ulcer activity.69 CROCUS SATIVUS Linn (ZAFRAN) Saffron Introduced to Spain by the Muslims, Saffron has long been valued as a condiment and medicinal spice. Al Biruni relates that Dioscorides mentioned that “The most potent variety is that which bears red flowers, and whose hairs are slightly whitish towards the root. It should not be very oily and should impart immediatly hue to the hands. It sould not be infested or broken into pieces nor moist: it should possess a pungent odourâ€.70 Saffron is cultivated in Spain, Kashmir, China and Iran. The stigmas that constitute the crude drug are small. It takes approximetly one hundred thousand hand picked blooms to obtain one kilogram of dried Saffron. Galen prescribed Saffron to facilitate parturition.71 In UIM Saffron is used as a food medicine becouse of its overall tonic effect which is considerd to extend to all the major organs of the body. As a purely medicinal botanical in UIM, Saffron is used to treat ailments affecting the heart and circulatory system, the liver and uterus particulaly inflammations. Saffron is considerd to be a Catalytic and stimulant when added to any UBF which results in increased intesity of action.72 Actions of the botanical include emmenagogue, duretic, slightly anodyne, anti-spasmodic and aphrodisiac. Crocitin one of the constituants is believed to increase oxygen carrying activity of the blood.73 The use’s given in all the ancient traditions of natural Medicine for Saffron are remarkably simular.74 MEL (SHEHED) Honey INDICATIONS Jalinus is a general tonic (somatotensive), a general body de-odouriser and anti flatulent. Used in hiatus hernia, haemorrhoids and frequent micturition due to chills. Increases libido, treats migraines and all types of headache. Hakims use this formula to treat a number of conditions related to liver75 dycrasia. Some of these include mania, anger, psoriasis, eczema, migraines with nausea, coughs, colds, asthma, bronchitis. All liver ailments. Stomach upsets, diarrhoea and constipation (Irritable bowel syndrome). Antilithic and with continual use helps to maintain hair colour.76 77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 , " Hakim.Mohammad Kassem Karim " < mkkarim@n...> wrote: > > Now my question is: > > Does Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine have a body of philosophy about using > longevity tonics, such as chavanaprash and the mercury pills, without gross > pathology? Some of the product literature and articles about the remedies I > have read, would imply that this is the case. Malino I think Ayurveda and Tibetan AND all have a history of use of tonics without manifesting gross pathology. The question is whether any of this information has been reliably translated from any of these cultures. However there is also a tradition of learned physicians railing against the damage quacks and the general public do with improper use of these tonics. At least part of what we have here is a conservative (confucian? neoconfucian?) opinion that is oriented towards using medicine to achieve full healthspan with minimal morbididty versus a taoist immortalist quest for vigorous and greatly extended lives. We have seen plenty of good translation along these more conservative lines. I don't think the taoist longevity lore has been as faithfully rendered. This would certainly be an interesting study. a system of medicine closely related to both TCM and Ayurveda and that is > Unani medicine. Mohammed, By your title, I assume you are practitioner of unani. Very nice to have your thoughts. > INDICATIONS > Jalinus is a general tonic (somatotensive), a general body de-odouriser and > anti flatulent. It seems to be mainly composed of herbs that regulate qi and warm the interior from a TCM perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 Mon, 07 May 2001 06:39:41 -0000 Re: Longevity remedies , " Hakim.Mohammad Kassem Karim " < mkkarim@n...> wrote: > > Now my question is: > > Does Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine have a body of philosophy about using > longevity tonics, such as chavanaprash and the mercury pills, without gross > pathology? Some of the product literature and articles about the remedies I > have read, would imply that this is the case. Malino I think Ayurveda and Tibetan AND all have a history of use of tonics without manifesting gross pathology. The question is whether any of this information has been reliably translated from any of these cultures. However there is also a tradition of learned physicians railing against the damage quacks and the general public do with improper use of these tonics. At least part of what we have here is a conservative (confucian? neoconfucian?) opinion that is oriented towards using medicine to achieve full healthspan with minimal morbididty versus a taoist immortalist quest for vigorous and greatly extended lives. We have seen plenty of good translation along these more conservative lines. I don't think the taoist longevity lore has been as faithfully rendered. This would certainly be an interesting study. a system of medicine closely related to both TCM and Ayurveda and that is > Unani medicine. Mohammed, By your title, I assume you are practitioner of unani. Very nice to have your thoughts. > INDICATIONS > Jalinus is a general tonic (somatotensive), a general body de-odouriser and > anti flatulent. It seems to be mainly composed of herbs that regulate qi and warm the interior from a TCM perspective. Exactly! This is what we need alot of the time in the cold north. Here is another one I use in my practise from the same talk to the MD's Note that this formula contain two of the ayurvedic " triphla " combination. kassem MAJUN FILASFA‮ ‬ÙلسÙ‮ ‬ PHILOSOPHERS ELECTUARY HISTORICAL BACKGROUND The exact age of this botanical formula is uncertain. But it seems that its popularity reached its height during the Moghul rule of the Indian subcontinent. It is said that its name originated from a group of philosophers who were so engaged in philosophical discourse it prevented them from getting adequate exercise and therefore led to sluggishness of both mind and body. They decided to formulate a general tonic that would help them keep healthy despite relatively sedentary habits. Two other name’s are given for this UBF, these are “ the stuff of life†and “the staff of old age†CONSTITUENTS Majun Filasfa is composed of thirteen botanical substances including fruits, nuts , spices and herbs. (1) EMBLICA OFFICINALIS (AMLA KHUSHK) Emblic Myrobalan, Indian Goosberry. This is one of the most important botanical's used in both Unani and Ayurvedic16 medicine. The fruit is a rich source of vitamin C and pectin. A vitamin C content of 750mg to 100g of the fresh pulp has been recorded. Emblica contains as much as twenty times more vitamin C than oranges in fact a single fruit (typically round and about half to one inch in diameter) is equal in anti-scorbutic value to one or two oranges.17 A naturally present mixture of gallic and ellagic acid plus glucose, prevents oxidation of the vitamin, rendering it a useful anti-scorbutic in both the fresh and dried state. In UIM Emblica is considered to be acrid, refrigerant, laxative and mildly diuretic. The botanical is also used in haemorrhage, diarrhoea and dysentery. Hakims employ Emblica in Liver dyscrasia, palpitations, and various complaints connected with the digestive organs such as biliousness, dyspepsia and anorexia.18 Emblica is part of the compound known as Itriphal.19 Itriphals are laxative/tonics to which other botanicals can be added. (2) TERMINALIA BELERICA (BAHERA) Baleric Myrobalan. This is a fruit which also forms part of the Itriphal. Used as a digestive and respiratory tonic. It was known to the ancient Greeks. (3) PIPER LONGUM (PIPAL KALAN) Long pepper In UIM this herb is considered to be hot and dry in the second degree and therefore used generally in cold / wet conditions. It is carminative20 and helps to check nausea. Recent research has confirmed the UIM assertion that Piper Longum increases the bioavailability of other drugs21, has a mildly hepato protective action22 and has a place in the management of gastrointestinal infections such as giadiasis23 and entaamoeba histolytica.24 (4) ORCHIS MASCULA (SALAB MISRI) Salep Orchid The tubers of the herb of this plant have been in use since antiquity as a soothing mucilaginous tonic for the digestive tract. In UIM Orchis is considered a nutritional tonic for the nervous system and a restorative to the reproductive system. (5) CINNAMOMUM OFFICINALIS (DARCHINI) Cinnamon Cinnamon is an important remedy in all traditional methods of healing for its warming and antimicrobial actions. It is also a restorative to weak digestion especially in debility and convalescence.25 (6) ZINGIBER OFFICINALE (ZANJIBIL) Ginger Zingiber is used in UIM as a heating remedy that improves sluggish digestion which manifests as nausea and flatulence. Zingiber improves general circulation. This herb is widely used in the relief of all types of travel sickness. (7) MATRICARIA RECUTITA (GUL BABUNA) Chamomile Matricaria acts an anti-inflammatory to the digestive system and calms the nervous system. Hot in the second degree and moist in the first , this herb has been used for millenia as an antispasmodic particularly for smooth muscles.26 (8) PINUS GERARDIANA (CHILGOZA) Pine Nuts Pine nuts are used as a nutritive tonic for general debility in particular seminal debility.27 They are rich in protein and zinc. (9) COCUS NUCIFERA (NARGIL) Coconut Rich in vitamins and minerals Cocus Nucifera is also a nutritive tonic. In UIM coconuts are considerd tonic, stomachic and aperient. Warm and Moist in the first degree, this food medicine is usefull in improving digestion, treating diarrhoea and the relief of colic. Fevers due to Phlegmatic or Altrabilious disorders.28 The potent anti-fungal agent caprylic acid is found in Cocus.29 (10) PLUMBAGO ZEYLANICA (CHITA) Used in ancient India as a tonic stimulant to the digestive system.30 (11) PIPER NIGRUM (FILFIL-SIYAH) Black Pepper Hot and dry in the forth degree Piper is used to relieve any hypometabolic or atrophic conditions of the whole body. It stimulates the digestive functions when there is flatulence, distended stomach and anorexia. Studies have shown that Piper Nigrum is antibacterial.31 (12) STONE LESS RAISINS (MAWAIZ MUNAQQA) Raisins are employed in this formula as an aperient with nutritive benefits. (13)Mel (SHEHED) Honey Honey is used as a carrier and preservative agent. INDICATIONS Majun Filasfa Increases general strength of the body, seminal tonic, stimulates appetite, Exhilarant32 ie brings a pleasurable sensation to the whole being33 , sharpens memory, controls excessive urination. Used in sciatica and gouty conditions, lower back and kidney pain. Anti-pyorrhoea,34 used in mild skin conditions and halitosis. This remedy is used to enhance the general well being of men or women engaged in sedentary mental activity. It is useful in rehabilitation after serious illness. Recovery from viral fatigue and general debility after lung infections. Can be used by all ages but excels as a tonic for the over sixties.35 BRIEF HISTORY AND BACKGROUND This form of medicine is also known as Greeko-Arab medicine or Tibb3 , and is still practised all over the Islamic world particularly in India and Pakistan. Based on the work of early Greek doctors Galan and Hippocrates, Unani medicine was improved and developed into a sophisticated body of knowledge by Muslim physicians Ibn Sina, Ar Razi, Ibn Rushd particulaly, Al Kindi and the surgeon Abul Qasim Azahrawi from Cordoba Spain. Physicians of UIM incorporated knowledge gathered from Indian, Chinese and Syriac source’s. Magnificent hospitals and clinics were built in Muslim capitals. Many of the Islamic rulers founded or endowed these hospitals and medical collages. The institutions were staffed with medical instructors from all over the Muslim world drawn from Muslims or Dimmis.4 Under Islamic influence many advances were made in medical and chemical sciences. Medical care was provided to all, young and old, rich or poor, completely free of charge. This was accomplished by the Islamic institution of Waqf.5 The works of Muslim doctors such as Ibn Sina or Avicenna as he is known in Europe, were studied right up to the end of the seventeenth century in the medical schools in Montpellier and Louvain. Today the main centre of research and development of UIM is the Hamdard Institute in India and Pakistan where education in UIM is still available. Students of UIM study along side medical students and share some classes in modern anatomy and physiology. All Hakims6 since the sixties have been officially registered and licensed in Pakistan. Therapeutic modalities most often employed by Hakims are aimed at preserving health. Physical health is considered to be based on Hygiene which implies cleanliness, but also regulation of wakefulness and sleep, rest and activity, eating/drinking and fasting, mental and emotional stimulus. Hakims also studied the effects of environmental factors such as waters, air, soil and music on wellbeing. One of the most important therapeutic modalities employed by Hakims is complex botanic medicine (UBF). The breadth of pharmacotherapy in UIM includes substances drawn from mineral, vegetable and animal origin. With the exception of honey we will be dealing with formulae that are of Vegetable origin. Unani Medicine also utilises diet, physical therapy and specially prescribed exercise to gently balance the body and restore health. The main method of diagnosis is the taking of the pulse. This method has almost been lost in modern times. The pulse along with careful analysis of the individual symptoms is used to assess the patients Mizaj.7 Treatment is then prescribed not only on the bases of the presenting disease but also on the temperamental background. This results in a truly holistic approach to restoring health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 there are also warnings within TCM for the usage of tonics in healthy pt Alon - Sunday, May 06, 2001 11:39 PM Re: Longevity remedies , "Hakim.Mohammad Kassem Karim" <mkkarim@n...> wrote:> > Now my question is:> > Does Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine have a body of philosophy about using> longevity tonics, such as chavanaprash and the mercury pills, without gross> pathology? Some of the product literature and articles about the remedies I> have read, would imply that this is the case.MalinoI think Ayurveda and Tibetan AND all have a history of use of tonics without manifesting gross pathology. The question is whether any of this information has been reliably translated from any of these cultures. However there is also a tradition of learned physicians railing against the damage quacks and the general public do with improper use of these tonics. At least part of what we have here is a conservative (confucian? neoconfucian?) opinion that is oriented towards using medicine to achieve full healthspan with minimal morbididty versus a taoist immortalist quest for vigorous and greatly extended lives. We have seen plenty of good translation along these more conservative lines. I don't think the taoist longevity lore has been as faithfully rendered. This would certainly be an interesting study.a system of medicine closely related to both TCM and Ayurveda and that is> Unani medicine.Mohammed,By your title, I assume you are practitioner of unani. Very nice to have your thoughts. Todd> INDICATIONS> Jalinus is a general tonic (somatotensive), a general body de-odouriser and> anti flatulent. It seems to be mainly composed of herbs that regulate qi and warm the interior from a TCM perspective.ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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