CFS/ME/CFIDS

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, Heiko Lade <heiko@l...> wrote:

> or whatever you want to call it.

>

> I have been speaking to a few people here in NZ about this condition.

> Patients suffering from it , and 2 doctors who specialize in it and 1

> psychologist who did a survey of 150 people have told me that when the

> illness is really set in, so to say ,one of their symptoms is that they

> DO NOT catch colds and flu. When you start to catch colds and flu , it

> is regarded as a sign that they are getting better .

 

One thing that comes to my mind is that when a disease involves latent

evil (fu xie), the acute sx tend to surface when the zheng qi is

strengthening and attempting to expel the the fu xie through the

surface. When the zheng qi is very weak,the fu xie remains trapped and

no acute symptoms appear.

 

[Guest guest]

Also consider another way to look at it. Symptoms are created by

significant contrasts between different parts of the body, systems,

muscular groups, etc. People will still have a lot of things going on

without symptoms being present. In these conditions, the immune

system is trying to overcompensate and is able to repel more acute

problems or there isn't enough zheng qi to help create that contrast.

Which is why the acute development of symptoms (like cold, etc.) can

be a good sign. We can often see that contrast in the pulses before

symptoms set in.

 

And the same is true for people at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Things can be developing or exist without symptoms presenting. For

example, the growth of tumors, long buried psychological stresses,

etc.

 

Latent evil (fu xie) in terms of bacteria, viruses, and environmental

toxins are always present. How well the immune system functions (in 5-

elements it's the spleen, lung, and kidney marrow functions in

combination) determines how well things are kept at bay.

 

Yin Chiao is useful for superficial, wind-heat types of cold and flu.

But over the last 10 years, I've noticed that colds and flus move

from the Tai Yang to deeper levels inward more quickly (and don't

always follow the sequence in the Shan Han Lun). Macioca's

recommendation would be useful if the patient notices the Tai Yang

symptomology right away and takes Yin Chiao then; otherwise it is not

that effective. Every several years I reformulate our Cold and Flu

formula to try and keep it current with the changing energies of the

year (see Su Wen chapters 66-74). Last season, we went through a

modified version of Xing Su San more than anything else (2000 was a

metal replete/Dragon year).

 

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

 

, @i... wrote:

> , Heiko Lade <heiko@l...> wrote:

> > or whatever you want to call it.

> >

> > I have been speaking to a few people here in NZ about this

condition.

> > Patients suffering from it , and 2 doctors who specialize in it

and 1

> > psychologist who did a survey of 150 people have told me that

when the

> > illness is really set in, so to say ,one of their symptoms is

that they

> > DO NOT catch colds and flu. When you start to catch colds and

flu , it

> > is regarded as a sign that they are getting better .

>

> One thing that comes to my mind is that when a disease involves

latent

> evil (fu xie), the acute sx tend to surface when the zheng qi is

> strengthening and attempting to expel the the fu xie through the

> surface. When the zheng qi is very weak,the fu xie remains trapped

and

> no acute symptoms appear.

>

 

 

 

 

James Ramholz, O.M.D., Dipl.Ac.

112 E. Laurel

Fort Collins, CO 80524

970-482-5900 Voice

970-482-4681 Fax

970-988-3588 Cell

[Guest guest]

Heiko Lade wrote:

 

> If this is to be the case and I have asked enough patients and they all

> say yes thats correct but western medicine doesn't accept that. Anyway

> .....if so .........what TCM or CM reason could there be for this ?

 

When patients report a cold or cold symptoms, that means that there is

enough wei qi to mount an attack giving rise to the symptoms of the

superficial pathogen. In the absence of wei qi, the pathogen just goes

in deeper leading to other client reported complaints.

 

Just a guess...

--

Al Stone L.Ac.

<AlStone

http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.