jiao gu lan (gynostemma pentaphyllum)

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I found a bottle of this herb, and am unsure of its functions/ actions? Anyone

know?

 

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There's a number of websites about this herb and products for it.

This one seems informative: http://jiaogulan-info.com/

 

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

 

 

, " " <@o...> wrote:

> I found a bottle of this herb, and am unsure of its functions/

actions?

> Anyone know?

>

> -

[Guest guest]

Also see What Is Jiao Gu Lan? by Michael Blumert in The Mayway

Mailer, June 2000, citing JGL as one of the "most powerful adaptogenic

herbs known," and listing from the recent Dictionary of Chinese Materia

Medica: indications for anti-inflammation, detoxification, cough remedy,

an expectorant and chronic bronchitis remedy.

Frances Gander

--

Frances Lea Gander, L.Ac., Dipl. Ac.

Three Treasures Health Services

www.carr.org/~fgander

jramholz wrote:

There's a number of websites about this herb

and products for it.

This one seems informative: http://jiaogulan-info.com/

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

 

, "" <@o...>

wrote:

> I found a bottle of this herb, and am unsure of its functions/

actions?

> Anyone know?

>

> -

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed

healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional

services, including board approved online continuing education.

 

 

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In a message dated 6/2/01 8:20:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

 

 

Thank you for the link... The question then becomes, If this herb is as

great (more potent than ginseng etc.) as these advertisers proclaim, why is

it not even mentioned in 'our' material medica? Either way I will take my

one bottle of it and see if I feel anything/...

 

 

Jason,

This herb may not be in the references you have access to. It does exist in our pharmacopoeia.

 

The use of one bottle may be an insufficient method for evaluating the efficacy of a medicinal, and especially what would be classified in the superior class by Shen Nung. This is an adaptagenic. I think the questions are what are the criteria you will use and have you identified an area the plant has been used for or has research which substantiates the function you are evaluating for yourself?

 

The most promising aspect of Gynostemma is probably the Nitric oxide component. It also contains more ginsenoside like compounds such as triterpenoid saponins (Gypenosides) than ginseng making it a very inexpensive alternative to Panax species (I wouldn't necessarily say it is 'better', for instance, do we know if it supplements Yuan Qi?). This plant gained notoriety when the Japanese went after it for a sugar replacement and discovered the Gypenosides.

 

Please find attached for you a list of some 50 abstracts retrieved while I was researching this material. I have been taking it for two years off and on....I think it is a cool plant.

Will

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OK....here's the citation attachment.

 

Will

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Jim,

 

Thank you for the link... The question then becomes, If this herb is as

great (more potent than ginseng etc.) as these advertisers proclaim, why is

it not even mentioned in 'our' material medica? Either way I will take my

one bottle of it and see if I feel anything/...

 

-

 

 

jramholz [jramholz]

Friday, June 01, 2001 11:01 PM

 

Re: jiao gu lan (gynostemma pentaphyllum)

 

There's a number of websites about this herb and products for it.

This one seems informative: http://jiaogulan-info.com/

 

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

 

 

, " " <@o...> wrote:

> I found a bottle of this herb, and am unsure of its functions/

actions?

> Anyone know?

>

> -

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

including board approved online continuing education.

 

 

 

 

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hi Steve

 

<<Will, what are you referring to in regard to nitric oxide? Does the herb affect its levels in the body?>>

 

I believe that's what the study suggests. It's in the attachment.

 

As you know, nitric is one mechanism by which many of the so-called aphrodisiacs effect physiological changes.

 

Yes, as well as this citation from the Nitrous Oxide official home page

"From diabetes to hypertension, cancer to drug addiction, stroke to intestinal motility, memory and learning disorders to septic shock, sunburn to anorexia, male impotence to tuberculosis, there is probably no pathological condition where nitric oxide does not play an important role. Only recently (within the last 13 years) discovered as a product of enzymatic synthesis in mammals,there are more than 32,000 scientific papers dealing with this remarkable molecule with most of these published within the last five years." http://www.apnet.com/no/

 

I think it is a cool plant.

 

<<Will, do you mean it has cooling properties or like Will, dude, like, cool herb. >>

 

Yeah Man.....like kewl.....

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Original

message from Will,

 

The most promising aspect of Gynostemma is probably the Nitric oxide

component.

 

 

Will, what

are you referring to in regard to nitric oxide? Does the herb affect its levels in the body? As you know, nitric is one mechanism by

which many of the so-called aphrodisiacs effect physiological changes.

 

 

I think

it is a cool plant.

 

Will, do

you mean it has cooling properties or like Will, dude, like, cool herb.

 

 

 

Stephen

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Jason,

I'm not suprise abouy jiao gu lan, I do not know much

about this herb, probably we have them in Vietnam too in the diferent name,

but there are many thing in the world even better than some of them in the

book, for example : the banana seeds , it is most powerfull herb for

kidneystone and somekind of kidney problem which none of the herbs in the

reference book could come pare to them. they do not have any mention on the

reference books. So, if you get a chance to leran some kind of new herb,why

not, probably it would not hurt so bad, because untill you know about this

herb, i'm sure it has many hudred thousand people on that herb on ready if

somthing happen, it would not in the market to sell for you any way.

Regard

Nhung Ta

 

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Saturday, June 02, 2001 8:21 AM

RE: Re: jiao gu lan (gynostemma pentaphyllum)

 

 

> Jim,

>

> Thank you for the link... The question then becomes, If this herb is as

> great (more potent than ginseng etc.) as these advertisers proclaim, why

is

> it not even mentioned in 'our' material medica? Either way I will take my

> one bottle of it and see if I feel anything/...

>

> -

>

>

> jramholz [jramholz]

> Friday, June 01, 2001 11:01 PM

>

> Re: jiao gu lan (gynostemma pentaphyllum)

>

> There's a number of websites about this herb and products for it.

> This one seems informative: http://jiaogulan-info.com/

>

> Jim Ramholz

>

>

>

>

>

> , " " <@o...> wrote:

> > I found a bottle of this herb, and am unsure of its functions/

> actions?

> > Anyone know?

> >

> > -

>

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

> practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

specializing

> in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

> including board approved online continuing education.

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 6/2/01 6:03:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stephen writes:

 

 

Thanks for pointing this out. I can see that you Control C’d some of the web page’s intro, which oddly sounds like they are multi-level marketing some kind of new miracle remedy. Probably some herb.

 

Stephen

 

 

Stephen.....oddly enough, it is a university professor run site. I just used it for chuckle value.

 

Will

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>

> Yes, as well as this citation from the Nitric Oxide official home page

> " From diabetes to hypertension, cancer to drug addiction, stroke to

> intestinal motility, memory and learning disorders to septic shock, sunburn

> to anorexia, male impotence to tuberculosis, there is probably no

> pathological condition where nitric oxide does not play an important role.

 

 

Apparently Dan shen/salvia also exerts many of its beneficial effects

via nitric oxide, as well. See the salvia abstracts in the Library on

the CHA site.

 

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From Will:

Only

recently (within the last 13 years) discovered as a product of enzymatic

synthesis in mammals,there are more than 32,000 scientific papers dealing

with this remarkable molecule with most of these published within the last

five years. " http://www.apnet.com/no/

 

 

Will,

Thanks for

pointing this out. I can see that

you Control C’d some of the web page’s intro, which oddly sounds like they are

multi-level marketing some kind of new miracle remedy. Probably some herb.

 

Stephen

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed

healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional

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WMorris116

[WMorris116]

Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:18

AM

To:

 

Re:

Re: jiao gu lan (gynostemma pentaphyllum)

 

In a

message dated 6/2/01 8:20:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

 

 

 

 

 

Thank

you for the link... The question then becomes, If this herb is as

great (more potent than ginseng etc.) as these advertisers proclaim, why is

it not even mentioned in 'our' material medica? Either way I will take my

 

one bottle of it and see if I feel anything/...

 

 

 

 

 

Jason,

 

This herb may not be in the references you have access to. It does exist in

our pharmacopoeia.

 

I was not

doubting this, that it is in ‘our’ pharmacopoeia… and it was not in any of my

reference texts, hence the need for my question… The point of the above comment was that if the herb is such a

great longevity herb or is as powerful as these advertisers proclaim, then why

is it not more common. I am not

denying that it is not ‘that great’, I am just trying to gauge reality vs.

advertising vs. traditional function.

Internet links due offer us

valuable info, and I learned much from the link given, but I remember once

reading about aloe vera and the proclamations made on it curing about 50

diseases including chrons, cancer etc.. totally outrageous. So this link is selling

some product containing jiao gu lan, how useful or true is this information…

??? So my original question stands, what are the actions, function/ indications

of this herb in a ‘traditional medical setting’.

 

 

The use of one bottle may be an insufficient method for evaluating the

efficacy of a medicinal, and especially what would be classified in the

superior class by Shen Nung.

 

My 1

bottle above comment was somewhat of a joke, sorry for the confusion

 

-

]

This is

an adaptagenic. I think the questions

are what are the criteria you will use and have you identified an area the

plant has been used for or has research which substantiates the function you

are evaluating for yourself?

 

The most promising aspect of Gynostemma is probably the Nitric oxide

component. It also contains more ginsenoside like compounds such as

triterpenoid saponins (Gypenosides) than ginseng making it a very inexpensive

alternative to Panax species (I wouldn't necessarily say it is 'better', for

instance, do we know if it supplements Yuan Qi?). This plant gained

notoriety when the Japanese went after it for a sugar replacement and

discovered the Gypenosides.

 

Please find attached for you a list of some 50 abstracts retrieved while I

was researching this material. I have been taking it for two years off and

on....I think it is a cool plant.

 

Will

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed

healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional

services, including board approved online continuing education.

 

 

 

Your use of

is subject to the

Terms of Service.

[Guest guest]

, " " <@o...> wrote:

 

 

>

> I was not doubting this, that it is in 'our' pharmacopoeia. and it was not

> in any of my reference texts, hence the need for my question. The point of

> the above comment was that if the herb is such a great longevity herb or is

> as powerful as these advertisers proclaim, then why is it not more common.

 

Our standard materia medicas tend to center around herbs used in

classical formulas for treatment of disease rather than longevity

tonics, per se. A glance through Bensky will also reveal that ling

zhi/ganoderma is also " missing " . Why? It has no history of use in

classical formula, but rather was part of the taoist longevity quest.

 

[Guest guest]

So my original question stands, what are the actions, function/ indications of this herb in a ‘traditional medical setting’.

 

 

Jason: Here are some more materials I have collected from different sources.

 

Will

 

Gynostemma has been recently classified in traditional Chinese medical terms as "sweet,slightly bitter, neutral, warm, enhancing yin and supporting yang"

Name

Gynostemma pentaphyllum

Jiaogulan (Chinese: twisting-vine-orchid)

Xiancao (Chinese: herb of immortality)

Southern Ginseng

Dungkulcha (Korean)

Amachazuru (Japanese: sweet tea vine)

 

Family

Gynostemma is a member of the Cucurbitaceae or cucumber family.

History

Gynostemma was first recorded during the Ming Dynasty as an agent used for famines. (1368-1644 AD).Today evidence of this can be seen in Famine Foods In 1406 Zhu Xiao describes Gynostemma in his medical text Materia Medica for Famine. Here the herb is described mainly as a dietary aid in times of hardship. Later, around 1578 Li Shi Zhen describes Gynostemma in his text Compendium of Materia Medica. This is the earliest reference to the use of Gynostemma as a drug, being used to treat blood in the urine, edema, tumors and trauma. During the Qing Dynasty(1644-1912 AD) Wu Qi Jun again includes Gynostemma in his materia medica,Textual Investigations of Medicinal Plants, and adds a little more detail to the previous texts. In 1972 a team of researchers trained in traditional Chinese medicine and western medicine studied the effect of Gynostemma on 537 people with tracheo-bronchitis. The results were good and Gynostemma appeared in the Dictionary of Chinese Materia Medica,described as being anti-inflammatory and expectorant.

Active constituents

Active constituents in Gynostemma include 82 gypenosides. They are triterpenoidsaponins even though they have a basic four ring steroid nucleus unlike typical triterpenoid saponins with a five ring structure.They are not classified as steroidal saponins. The triterpenoid saponins of Gynostemma have a dammarane skeleton belonging to the diol series.Gypenosides 3, 4, 8 and12 are identical with saponins found in Ginseng, ginsenosides Rb1, Rb3, Rd and F2. Ginseng has 28 of this type of saponin and Gynostemma has 82.