Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Is this meant to imply that TCM excludes five-phase theory? If it does, that's certainly news to me. I'll agree that ba gang by itself would be too simple to be very useful, but it is an error to suppose that TCM is nothing more than ba gang or ba gang plus zang-fu differentiation. on 6/2/01 1:44 AM, at wrote: > But there are areas of significant overlap beside the scientific > testing of Eastern medicine. There is an opportunity to view this > integration when we use 5-Phases and not TCM. For example, using 5- > Phases in pulse diagnosis we can examine the function of each organ > and their relationships in many of the same ways as does Western > medicine---besides determining if an organ is working within its > normal parameters, we can see pancreatic, adrenal, thyroid, and other > organ functions and relationships not found in typical TCM. > > And, following your interest in complexity, only 5-Phases comes close > to describing dynamic self-organizing (living) systems; 8-Principles > is too mechanical a method and doesn't approach the required > definition of complexity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Perhaps it's an oversimplification, but I've talked to very few TCM practitioners who use 5-Phases---especially in terms of the Yun Qi chapters of the Su Wen, stems and branches, or the pulse indications in the Mai Jing. The practice otherwise seems limited to Worsely- sytle students and a few others. Little, if any, is mentioned in these forums or taught in the acupuncture colleges. Jim Ramholz , LCTCM <lctcm@n...> wrote: > Is this meant to imply that TCM excludes five-phase theory? If it does,that's certainly news to me. I'll agree that ba gang by itself would be too simple to be very useful, but it is an error to suppose that TCM is nothing more than ba gang or ba gang plus zang-fu differentiation. > > on 6/2/01 1:44 AM, at > wrote: > > > But there are areas of significant overlap beside the scientific > > testing of Eastern medicine. There is an opportunity to view this > > integration when we use 5-Phases and not TCM. For example, using 5- > > Phases in pulse diagnosis we can examine the function of each organ > > and their relationships in many of the same ways as does Western > > medicine---besides determining if an organ is working within its > > normal parameters, we can see pancreatic, adrenal, thyroid, and other > > organ functions and relationships not found in typical TCM. > > > > And, following your interest in complexity, only 5-Phases comes close > > to describing dynamic self-organizing (living) systems; 8- Principles > > is too mechanical a method and doesn't approach the required > > definition of complexity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 Dear Jim, I have been privileged in having a variety of tutors in my college. We have been taught a combination of 5 phase and 8 principle diagnostic tools, with the understanding that both are mentioned in original texts as having derived from the basic daoist philosophies. It's been refreshing for me as a western trained practitoner to be able to base a treatment on the " spirit " of the point functions, with so much physical illness masking a deeper emotional/spiritual imbalance or disconnection. I am also aware of an inegrated college in Reading, UK whihc teaches both styles. jramholz <jramholz Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:39 PM Re: TCM and five phases >Perhaps it's an oversimplification, but I've talked to very few TCM >practitioners who use 5-Phases---especially in terms of the Yun Qi >chapters of the Su Wen, stems and branches, or the pulse indications >in the Mai Jing. The practice otherwise seems limited to Worsely- >sytle students and a few others. Little, if any, is mentioned in >these forums or taught in the acupuncture colleges. > >Jim Ramholz > > > >, LCTCM <lctcm@n...> wrote: >> Is this meant to imply that TCM excludes five-phase theory? If it >does,that's certainly news to me. I'll agree that ba gang by itself >would be too simple to be very useful, but it is an error to suppose >that TCM is nothing more than ba gang or ba gang plus zang-fu >differentiation. >> >> on 6/2/01 1:44 AM, at >> wrote: >> >> > But there are areas of significant overlap beside the scientific >> > testing of Eastern medicine. There is an opportunity to view this >> > integration when we use 5-Phases and not TCM. For example, using >5- >> > Phases in pulse diagnosis we can examine the function of each >organ >> > and their relationships in many of the same ways as does Western >> > medicine---besides determining if an organ is working within its >> > normal parameters, we can see pancreatic, adrenal, thyroid, and >other >> > organ functions and relationships not found in typical TCM. >> > >> > And, following your interest in complexity, only 5-Phases comes >close >> > to describing dynamic self-organizing (living) systems; 8- >Principles >> > is too mechanical a method and doesn't approach the required >> > definition of complexity. > > >Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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