gou qi zi and HGH

[Guest guest]

Apparently gou qi zi has a potent effect at helping the liver convert

growth hormone to IGF-1, a factor that carries out most of GH's

functions in the body. It also lowers blood sugar and thus decreases

insulin. Now gou qi zi is a yin and yang tonic, but mostly yin I

think. I had been thinking that according to TCM logic, yin and yang

tonics should be balanced to achieve harmonious effects. While I

originally thought GH was an essence like substance, it definitely seems

more yang than yin. So balancing GH releasers with yin tonics seemed

the next logical course of action. Of course many yin tonics lower

blood sugar (mai men dong, zhi mu, tian men dong) and others affect

liver function (han lian cao, gou qi zi). and it is yang tonics that

seem to induce GH release. So this all now begs the question as to when

it is appropriate to begin supplementing the kidneys. Many chinese

doctors have warned against tonic abuse over the centuries. the kidneys

are definitely in decline by late 30's, early 40's. But if the system

is also filled with excess pathogens which may take the form of cellular

waste in part, then tonics may induce disease. this is similar to the

idea of testosterone protecting against prostate cancer, but promoting

it if it is already present. Supplementing the pathogen. So it is

vital to both balance yin and yang in supplementation, but also to

simultaneously remove excess with blood movers and dampheat clearers. I

suspect that the traditional railing against tonic abuse was directed at

those who indulged in tonics without also clearing excess and regulating

their diet and exercise. So here we see a little bit of modern science

that may influence the debate about whether to clear excess first or

treat all mutually engendering pathogens together. It certainly lends

credence to the idea that improper use of tonics alone is detrimental.

Unfortunately, I find this common not only amongst laypersons, but

trained px as well.

 

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[Guest guest]

Its interesting that Gou Qi Zi is affecting HgH. Chinese people use this

herb commonly as a food , ie regularly in soups etc . My parents in law

will have it at least once a week with chicken or beef sometimes with

lian zi or qian shi .

Maybe that answers the question when should it be started, if its taken

in smaller doses and not each day it seems that even children etc can

deal with it .

 

I have mentioned it before but HgH gets released at night during deep

sleep ie stages of 3 and 4 Non rapid eye movement , perhaps we could

look at addressing the shen to promote longivety via stimulating the

mechnaism to release HgH. Many of the taoist longivety formula had herbs

in them such as suan zao ren, fu shen, ling zhi.........maybe they

stimulated a deeper meditation /qi gong state ...........that triggered

the release of HgH. Other herbs such as jin ying zi and fu pen zi that

reverse gray hair also treat nocturia and hence improve the sleep and

hence possibly HgH.

 

Having these herbs also then avoids complications of taking too many

tonics.

 

Heiko

[Guest guest]

, Heiko Lade <heiko@l...> wrote:

Many of the taoist longivety formula had herbs

> in them such as suan zao ren, fu shen, ling zhi.........maybe they

> stimulated a deeper meditation /qi gong state ...........that triggered

 

that is interesting because many longevity researchers associate

melatonin decline with the decrease in GH release. this would affect

the sleep cycle. I wonder if the spirit calming herbs affect melatonin

production. I think I mentioned before that marijuana is one of the

strongest stimulants of melatonin production, which is perhaps why

daytime smoking is so detrimental to health. However ganja, as it is

called in sanskrit, is included in many ayurvedic rasayana detailed in

books by Baghwan Dash. Could moderate use of marijuana before bed lead

indirectly to GH release? Marijuana also appears to lower blood sugar,

which is possibly why it increases appetite. So one must be

disciplined not to eat carbs after use or the whole process is

thwarted. Just another indication that so-called recreational drugs

may be therapeutically useful by those who are conscious and

restrained. Marijuana is clearly not a tonic and much of the

discussion on this list has focused on its adverse effects. But we all

agreed that it seems to disperse qi at first and also leads to sedation

afterwards? I recall that the discussion of unani longevity tonics

included many qi dispersing herbs. clearly the danger is that one

becomes habituated and begins to abuse, but the subject is intriguing.

 

[Guest guest]

Todd

Marijuana may do as you say.

But interestingly , huo ma ren does have the recorded property to

reverse gray hair according to Li Shi Zhen's Ben cao gang mu.

It makes me think of the saying " went grey over night! " , probably

because of the melatonin and HgH connection. Also having the huo ma ren

seeds will not cause ant problems with lungs etc.

 

Actually is cannibis legal in California,as it is now in some states of

Australia.

 

Heiko