Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 ChineseMedicinenet, wrote: >> I have been reading Manaka's chasing the Dragon's Tail recently. He postulates an understanding of the acupuncture paradigm with reference to systems and information theory of modern science. rendering qi as information, the Jing luo are seen as conduits for this organizational data. Jim: We don't have to restrict ourselves to the Jing luo to apply information theory and complexity to CM. The Chinese medical models developed with these types of characteristics because they were trying to describe dynamic, living systems and their functions. Western science is only now developing the perspective and terminology to efficiently discuss complexity. All life, at every scale, is inherently computational or simply an exchange of information say scientists. The most interesting example of information theory applied to CM is (to me) pulse diagnosis. But 5-Phases provides an interesting and, probably, more familiar model to help illustrate complexity and information theory. It's structure is composed similarly to the canonical microcircuit, which is the basic element of the neural network of the brain. Composed of three interconnected neurons (imagine each neuron at the apex of a triangle, connecting to the other two creating a single unit), it is the smallest unit of the neural network that can memorize---specifically it can store and subsequently recall two fundamental memories (yin/yang). It is the smallest part of the neural network that can self-organize without supervision---an essential ingredient for living systems. And the brain is composed of billions of them which act in concert to form our feelings and thoughts. It is similar to 5-Phases from the point of view of the Mother/Child/Grand Child Law, if we see these three elements as one unit. The Sheng and Ko cycles can generally be thought of as similar to the stimulating and inhibiting functions of neurons. But when we speak about a " disorder " or illness using 5- Phases, we always view it as the interaction of one or more triangles. : Now, according to information theory, these biochemical's can also be thought of as information. Yet I still believe the information in the herbs is bound up with their constituents, not separate therefrom. So is it that the sum of the constituents forms a whole that is received by the body as some form of resonant information that is transmitted through the system via the internal Jing luo pathways, leading to biochemical changes, etc. Jim: Herbal formulas are not the sum of their constituents, a formula demonstrates an 'emergent' process or capacity not predicted by the sum of its constituent components---'emergence' is a central concept of complexity theory. : My point is that the medical literature is fairly uniform on this subject of dosage. Jim: Offhand, I don't know that the Chinese literature supports this large does idea. How big is a big dose? This could make an interesting survey. In the past, I've given patients 13 ounces of raw herbs to boil down. Today, I typically give people 1.5 gm/TID doses of a formula (using concentrates) containing up to 35 herbs with very good results. James Ramholz Silk Road Acupuncture Center 112 E. Laurel Fort Collins, CO 80524-3029 (970) 482-5900 Voice (970) 482-4681 Fax (303) 522-3348 Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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