Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 What about when one is treating a latent pathogen (wen bing theory).. The pathogen is brought out through the qi level producing symptoms from that stage (qi)…I would possibly consider this a getting worse before better, relatively speaking, because the symptoms might seem more dramatic… Also I had a patient with sever liver qi depression – not outwardly anger by any means, but very pent up, and very comfortable with his walls, numbness, and seemingly bitterness… I gently starting moving qi and clearing depressed heat… He got very hot and emotional, angry, and blamed the herbs, I asked numerous others and they said the rx looks totally fine… It was a cooler if not cold rx. – granted the rx could have been wrong, but my supervisor said this reaction, although not pleasant, was a good thing, he needed to release some of his constraint, and start feeling again, this might not be pleasant, but necessary… The heat was not directly from the herbs, but a release.. The patient stopped taking them due to the anger and heat he felt… I personally think the healing crisis is usually 99% of time cop out, and agree with Z’ev and others that it is not traditionally mentioned… But these are two examples that might be worth discussing… Comments? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 Jason: You are correct about the " release " from the treatment, and correct about the frequency of the healing crisis. Your case history illustrates the inherent weakness of Zang-fu diagnosis----in that it does not include a clearly defined etiology. For example, depression is often preceeded in patients by unexpressed anger (in the pulses, wood is constrained, blocked, and not transforming to fire) and frustration (in the pulses, the wood movement strong but not interacting with TW, minister fire). You can usually see the depressed or binding movement at the deepest (3rd depth or adapted level) of the pulse. You need to warn patients ahead of time that they " need " to be angry or deal with their buried anger. Jim Ramholz , " " <@o...> wrote: > What about when one is treating a latent pathogen (wen bing theory).. The pathogen is brought out through the qi level producing symptoms from that stage (qi)…I would possibly consider this a getting worse before better, relatively speaking, because the symptoms might seem more dramatic… > Also I had a patient with sever liver qi depression – not outwardly anger by any means, but very pent up, and very comfortable with his walls, numbness, and seemingly bitterness… I gently starting moving qi and clearing depressed heat… He got very hot and emotional, angry, and blamed the herbs, I asked numerous others and they said the rx looks totally fine… It was a cooler if not cold rx. – granted the rx could have been wrong, but my supervisor said this reaction, although not pleasant, was a good thing, he needed to release > some of his constraint, and start feeling again, this might not be pleasant, > but necessary… The heat was not directly from the herbs, but a release.. The > patient stopped taking them due to the anger and heat he felt… > > I personally think the healing crisis is usually 99% of time cop out, and agree with Z'ev and others that it is not traditionally mentioned… But these are two examples that might be worth discussing… > Comments? > > - James Ramholz Silk Road Acupuncture Center 112 E. Laurel Fort Collins, CO 80524-3029 (970) 482-5900 Voice (970) 482-4681 Fax (303) 522-3348 Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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