heart fire/was pain from injury

[Guest guest]

, Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote:

 

>

> Heart fire patients tend to have BIG problems with REALLY VIVID

> esperiences even though it may be just cut finger, they'll describe the

> issue as BLEEDING TO DEATH.

 

Speaking of heart fire, how does one identify the following pattern?

If a patient has dampheat or depressed liver fire that disturbs the

spirit and causes insomnia, anxiety and/or palps, would you identify

this as heart fire due to depressed liver fire? Or would you call it

depressed liver fire (or dampheat) harasses the heart? Would this

affect your selection of herbs? I find many people choose suan zao ren

in this situation, yet suan zao ren is for heart blood/yin xu. If it

is heart fire, then hunag lian is a better choice.

 

[Guest guest]

I'm very new at this, but I'll share my impression. In those cases it

seems that our school would use the following terminology:Long time

Liver qi stagnation leading to heart fire. I would be inclined to add

some chai hu to a formula, and to treat the heart fire manifestations

with long gu or something to settle the patient down.

 

 

, @i... wrote:

> , Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Heart fire patients tend to have BIG problems with REALLY VIVID

> > esperiences even though it may be just cut finger, they'll

describe the

> > issue as BLEEDING TO DEATH.

>

> Speaking of heart fire, how does one identify the following

pattern?

> If a patient has dampheat or depressed liver fire that disturbs the

> spirit and causes insomnia, anxiety and/or palps, would you

identify

> this as heart fire due to depressed liver fire? Or would you call

it

> depressed liver fire (or dampheat) harasses the heart? Would this

> affect your selection of herbs? I find many people choose suan zao

ren

> in this situation, yet suan zao ren is for heart blood/yin xu. If

it

> is heart fire, then hunag lian is a better choice.

>

 

[Guest guest]

In the Practical therapeutics (wu) & Handbook of internal medicine (maclean)

both have the pattern of Liver depression leading to Fire (for insomnia)..

Both books treat with long dan xie gan tang.. They mention no heart fire (in

the dx), but I assume this is understood. This is differentiated from

straight heart fire (which is rare, usually acute from febrile, psychosis

etc.) and both books treat with huanglian jie du tang. Maclean mentions

that straight heart fire is rare because it usually contains some amount of

yin xu. So to have liver qi depression involvement one has so have those

signs, (depression, irritability (bob ), moodiness, HA, neck tension,

freq. Sighing, plum pit qi etc) (Heart fire= palps, agitation, anxiety,

mouth and tongue ulcers etc...) yeah.. suan zao ren does not make sense to

me...

 

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Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:25 AM

 

Re: heart fire/was pain from injury

 

, Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote:

 

>

> Heart fire patients tend to have BIG problems with REALLY VIVID

> esperiences even though it may be just cut finger, they'll describe the

> issue as BLEEDING TO DEATH.

 

Speaking of heart fire, how does one identify the following pattern?

If a patient has dampheat or depressed liver fire that disturbs the

spirit and causes insomnia, anxiety and/or palps, would you identify

this as heart fire due to depressed liver fire? Or would you call it

depressed liver fire (or dampheat) harasses the heart? Would this

affect your selection of herbs? I find many people choose suan zao ren

in this situation, yet suan zao ren is for heart blood/yin xu. If it

is heart fire, then hunag lian is a better choice.

 

 

 

 

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