Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 Heart fire is rare because very often the connection from wood to fire is suppressed when liver is too highly stressed or the nervous system is too sensitive. This is how heart shen protects itself--- it's seen fairly often in our contemporary society. The pulse from the liver to wood seems to stop at the diaphragm or only comes into the heart position incompletely. The liver can overbear, then, on other organs; even (commonly) reverse and attack the kidney (prostate, uterus, ovaries, etc.). Jim Ramholz , " " <@o...> wrote: > In the Practical therapeutics (wu) & Handbook of internal medicine (maclean) both have the pattern of Liver depression leading to Fire (for insomnia).. > Both books treat with long dan xie gan tang.. They mention no heart fire (in > the dx), but I assume this is understood. This is differentiated from > straight heart fire (which is rare, usually acute from febrile, psychosis > etc.) and both books treat with huanglian jie du tang. Maclean mentions > that straight heart fire is rare because it usually contains some amount of > yin xu. So to have liver qi depression involvement one has so have those > signs, (depression, irritability (bob ), moodiness, HA, neck tension, > freq. Sighing, plum pit qi etc) (Heart fire= pulps, agitation, anxiety, > mouth and tongue ulcers etc...) yeah.. suan zao ren does not make sense to > me... > > - > > > @i... [@i...] > Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:25 AM > > Re: heart fire/was pain from injury > > , Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote: > > > > > Heart fire patients tend to have BIG problems with REALLY VIVID > > esperiences even though it may be just cut finger, they'll describe the > > issue as BLEEDING TO DEATH. > > Speaking of heart fire, how does one identify the following pattern? > If a patient has dampheat or depressed liver fire that disturbs the > spirit and causes insomnia, anxiety and/or palps, would you identify > this as heart fire due to depressed liver fire? Or would you call it > depressed liver fire (or dampheat) harasses the heart? Would this > affect your selection of herbs? I find many people choose suan zao ren > in this situation, yet suan zao ren is for heart blood/yin xu. If it > is heart fire, then hunag lian is a better choice. > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare > practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing > in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, > including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 jramholz wrote: > > Heart fire is rare because very often the connection from wood to > fire is suppressed when liver is too highly stressed or the nervous > system is too sensitive. This is how heart shen protects itself--- > it's seen fairly often in our contemporary society. The pulse from > the liver to wood seems to stop at the diaphragm or only comes into > the heart position incompletely. The liver can overbear, then, on > other organs; even (commonly) reverse and attack the kidney > (prostate, uterus, ovaries, etc.). Lemme get this straight. The Heart severs its connection to the liver when the liver is in a state of excess? Is this like when people who are overwhelmed emotionally become kind of distant or catatonic? -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 Al: In this case we are looking at the connection between wood and fire at the adapted or bottom depth. If you don't keep all fingers level at the same depth when taking the pulse, you miss these important connections. It is not always a complete severing; nor does it have to be when they are only overwhelmed. It reflects an adaptive behavior which is why it is found at the 3rd depth (deepest third). Keep in mind that the movement of wood to fire is also the movement of growth and development (unconscious toward conscious). Jim Ramholz , Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote: > Lemme get this straight. The Heart severs its connection to the liver when the liver is in a state of excess? > > Is this like when people who are overwhelmed emotionally become kind of distant or catatonic? > > -- > Al Stone L.Ac. > <AlStone@B...> > http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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