Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 One of my clients was diagnosed as having insufficient Cervical Mucus (CM) which was " hostile " to sperm. THerefore she is having difficulty getting pregnant. THe western approach is to give estrogen supplements to increase CM. She would like to try herbs, but I am not familiar with any that might increase CM during ovulation. Any ideas? Hillary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Hillary I've been watching for someone to reply to you but haven't seen a response. As I understand cervical mucus it reflects the state of the yin or oestrus cycle from menstruation to ovulation and the application of yin tonics such as Zuo Gui Tang during this preiod should increase fertile mucus. If however her mucus is hostile to her partner's sperm that often indicates Liver qi stagnation and formulae like Xiao yao san are suitable. This may indicate that her lack of fertile mucus is at least partly due to Heat in the Liver channel drying her vagina. I would check both aspects as possibilities. I hope all becomes clear when the patient arrives! Good luck Sue Cochrane , acugirlnyc@a... wrote: > One of my clients was diagnosed as having insufficient Cervical Mucus (CM) > which was " hostile " to sperm. THerefore she is having difficulty getting > pregnant. THe western approach is to give estrogen supplements to increase > CM. She would like to try herbs, but I am not familiar with any that might > increase CM during ovulation. > > Any ideas? > > Hillary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Hillary, In my experience (20+ years of doing CM gynecology), the Chinese medicinals that increase cervical mucus (and the quality of that mucus vis a vis conception) are the medicinals which correct the patient's CM pattern(s). However, Chinese medicinal douches are very helpful adjunctive to internally administered meds and frequently spell the difference between success and failure in real-life practice. Most of the time (again in my experience but also supported by the Chinese gynecological literature), even when the patient manifests primarily a yin vacuity pattern systemically, locally this means bitter, cold, heat-clearing, worm-killing meds, remembering that vaginal dysbiosis is often considered a worm (chong) condition in contemporary Chinese gynecology. In other words, Alum (Ku Fan), Borax (Peng Sha), Phellodendron (Huang Bai), Cnidium (She Chuang Zi), Sophora (Ku Shen), and, interestingly, Schisandra (Wu Wei Zi), the one med with yin-supplementing properties on this list. Histologically, we can say that the vagina is one the outside of the body, and Wu Wei Zi is often used in CM dermatology for the treatment of dermatological allergies and dermatomycoses. This " dermatological " use of Wu Wei Zi seems to be part of its unique qi and is not, at least in my opinion, explained by its standard functions as listed in B & G (for instance). In my experience, it is wrong to approach this situation from a purely theoretical one, such as mucus being yin. Or at least mostly wrong. (In CM, few things are simply right or wrong.) Patient's with hostile cervical mucus commonly do not display yin vacuity patterns (although, in individual cases, they may). However, locally, it is common to find some sort of heat (depressive or damp). In the CM literature, this type of fertility problem is usually discussed under the heading of " immunologic infertility. " Although there are not many articles on this type of infertility in the CM literature, one does come across them from time to time. In other words, there is a body of literature in Chinese on this topic. Good luck, and keep us apprised. Bob , annedoia@t... wrote: > > Hillary > I've been watching for someone to reply to you but haven't seen a > response. As I understand cervical mucus it reflects the state of > the yin or oestrus cycle from menstruation to ovulation and the > application of yin tonics such as Zuo Gui Tang during this preiod > should increase fertile mucus. If however her mucus is hostile to > her partner's sperm that often indicates Liver qi stagnation and > formulae like Xiao yao san are suitable. This may indicate that her > lack of fertile mucus is at least partly due to Heat in the Liver > channel drying her vagina. I would check both aspects as > possibilities. > I hope all becomes clear when the patient arrives! Good luck > Sue Cochrane > > , acugirlnyc@a... wrote: > > One of my clients was diagnosed as having insufficient Cervical > Mucus (CM) > > which was " hostile " to sperm. THerefore she is having difficulty > getting > > pregnant. THe western approach is to give estrogen supplements to > increase > > CM. She would like to try herbs, but I am not familiar with any > that might > > increase CM during ovulation. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Hillary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Patient's with hostile cervical mucus commonly do not display yin vacuity patterns (although, in individual cases, they may). >>>You also have to remember that it is often only hostile to one partner and not to another. Also the hole issue of hostile mucus is a debatable subject. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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