Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Dear Prof. You will be going to appreciate my new thought. Maybe I should announce the intellectual rights and reserve Right for these ideas invention, any physician use my ideas to cure people, doing research or write texts books should pay me tuition Fee,:-).My address will be provide if it is needed :-):-). Doubtlessly, The highest goal for TCM and WM are integrated together eventually. And, it is no problem at all. I know how to do it now although I am not a doctor yet. There are no conflict between TCM and WM if you really familiar how to use both formulae and drugs to cure people very well. But, in my opinion, people who like to use TCM herbal formula and WM drugs or antibiotics have to learn both of them separately in separate way because they are two totally different theories, after that, you can integrate both of them. This is especially for new learner who learned TCM herbal formulae. I don¡¦t like the way Western Medicine treat TCM, like we are not civilization, and the way WM control TCM physician herbal and formulae use rights. Actually,Macro-system included micro-system. Both theories should respect each other in equal. Then, someday, co-operate together and this is completely no problem at all. Now, I would like to provide my ideas. For TCM theories, antibiotics are ice-cold agents to the body. it hurt liver and kidney very much and not even mention the complications. They destroy every living creature of the body or organs including good bacterium. This is because of the dosage of antibiotics¡Xthey are too strong to the body, not only the bacterium but also the organs¡Xthey can't evacuate all the poisons out of the organs. And, after using heave dosage antibiotics, the bacterium resist ntibiotic¡¦s ability is increased. This is a bad cycle of treatment. Human body does not need so heave dosage of antibiotics. There are some TCM herbs can be a boat to carry whole herbal formula or antibiotics to target place. Such as Jiegeng (platycodon grandiflorum) with Gancao can be a boat carrying herbal formula or antibiotics to the upper part of the three portions of the body. Niuxi can go down to the feet and carry blood with it. (increase blood circulations of the leg). And so on. These boat herbs Plus some Qi increase herbs, such as Huangqi,Dazao,Danggui,Ginger,Chuanxiong(go up to the head and eyes ,go down to the blood ocean)¡K. Now, let us do the fight to the enemy. There are many ways to do: Plan A 1.Dilute or reduce antibiotics dosage that you choose, may be 1/100 or 1/1000, or 1/10000,it depends on your drug use experiences or experimental data. 2.Oral use those antibiotics with TCM herbal drink (those boat and Qi herbs which I mention above or others.) 3.By IV injection(if you can find or made those TCM herbal injection I mentioned above) with antibiotics. Or, drinking those herbal drink and wait 15-20 minutes (before meal), then injection the dilute dosage antibiotics. These ideas can became researches. Plan B. 1.use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual with those herbal drinks by oral. 2.use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual with plan A. item 3. 3.use TCM herbal formula to evacuate those antibiotic poisons and warm up the organs after treatment, but the harm of the kidney and liver is already done. Plan C 1.Before use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual with plan A. and plan B., drink some TCM herbal drink or powder to protect or increase the function of those organs to increase the poisons evacuation ability. I prefer the plan A. more then others. These are my ideas. Jean Su Fooyin Institute of Technology Nursing department. 151 Chinhsueh road, Tai-liao Hsiang Kaohsiung hsien, 831 Taiwan. Republic of China. ===== -- < ºô ¸ô ¥Í ¬¡¡EºÉ ¦b ©_¼¯ > http://www.kimo.com.tw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 I have suggested in writing in the past that a very similar strategy be applied (of course, in clinical studies first) to use of chemotherapy drugs as well. The idea is in using much smaller amounts of chemotherapy drugs with Chinese medicinals to target specific channels or zang/fu, and medicinals to clear the viscera of toxin, protect correct qi, etc. The second and third strategies are already in use with many cancer patients, using Chinese medicinals to protect the body from damage from the toxic drugs from chemo. I think that, depending on the type and nature of infection, because of issues of antibiotic resistance, in theory it would be best to use herbal medicinals first according to Chinese pattern and disease diagnosis. In integrative strategies, however, I think Dr. Jeansu's strategies are quite sound and would be interesting to actually put into practice. How soon in the West though seems to be anyone's guess. On Monday, October 1, 2001, at 07:43 AM, Jeansu wrote: > Dear Prof. > > You will be going to appreciate my new thought. > > > > > Now, let us do the fight to the enemy. > There are many ways to do: > > Plan A >  1.Dilute or reduce antibiotics dosage that you > choose, may be 1/100 or 1/1000, or 1/10000,it depends > on your drug use experiences or experimental data. >  2.Oral use those antibiotics with TCM herbal drink > (those boat and Qi herbs which I mention above or > others.) > >  3.By IV injection(if you can find or made those TCM > herbal injection I mentioned above) with antibiotics. > Or, drinking those herbal drink and wait 15-20 minutes > > (before meal), then injection the dilute dosage > antibiotics. These ideas can became researches. > > > Plan B. >  1.use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual with > those herbal drinks by oral. >  2.use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual with > plan A. item 3. >  3.use TCM herbal formula to evacuate those > antibiotic poisons and warm up the organs after > treatment, but the harm of the kidney and liver is > already done. > > Plan C >  1.Before use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual > > with plan A. and plan B., drink some TCM herbal drink > or powder to protect or increase the function of those > > organs to increase the poisons evacuation ability. > > > I prefer the plan A. more then others. These are my > ideas. > > Jean Su > Fooyin Institute of Technology > Nursing department. > 151 Chinhsueh road, Tai-liao Hsiang > Kaohsiung hsien, 831 Taiwan. > Republic of China. > > > ===== > > > -- > < 網 路 生 活•盡 在 奇摩 > http://www.kimo.com.tw > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 ..Dilute or reduce antibiotics dosage that youchoose, may be 1/100 or 1/1000, or 1/10000,it depends on your drug use experiences or experimental data. >>>>Have you ever head to drug resistance. Unless you can show me proof that this eradicates the infection you are playing with fire here. There is nothing worse than under using antibiotics. You are better off not using them at all. Also I have never seen experimental data showing that herbs do in reality have target tissues. Alon - Jeansu Monday, October 01, 2001 7:43 AM Re: my ideas Dear Prof. You will be going to appreciate my new thought. Maybe I should announce the intellectual rights and reserve Right for these ideas invention, any physicianuse my ideas to cure people, doing research or writetexts books should pay me tuition Fee,:-).My addresswill be provide if it is needed :-):-).Doubtlessly, The highest goal for TCM and WM areintegrated together eventually. And, it is no problem at all. I know how to do it now although I am not adoctor yet.There are no conflict between TCM and WM if you reallyfamiliar how to use both formulae and drugs to cure people very well. But, in my opinion, people who like to use TCM herbal formula and WM drugs or antibiotics have to learn both of them separately in separate way because they are two totally different theories, afterthat, you can integrate both of them. This is especially for new learner who learned TCM herbal formulae. I don¡¦t like the way Western Medicine treatTCM, like we are not civilization, and the way WMcontrol TCM physician herbal and formulae use rights. Actually,Macro-system included micro-system. Both theories should respect each other in equal. Then, someday, co-operate together and this is completely noproblem at all.Now, I would like to provide my ideas.For TCM theories, antibiotics are ice-cold agents to the body. it hurt liver and kidney very much and not even mention the complications. They destroy every living creature of the body or organs including good bacterium. This is because of the dosage of antibiotics¡Xthey are too strong to the body, not onlythe bacterium but also the organs¡Xthey can't evacuateall the poisons out of the organs. And, after using heave dosage antibiotics, the bacterium resist ntibiotic¡¦s ability is increased. This is a bad cycleof treatment.Human body does not need so heave dosage of antibiotics.There are some TCM herbs can be a boat to carry whole herbal formula or antibiotics to target place. Such asJiegeng (platycodon grandiflorum) with Gancao can be aboat carrying herbal formula or antibiotics to the upper part of the three portions of the body. Niuxi can go down to the feet and carry blood with it.(increase blood circulations of the leg). And so on. These boat herbs Plus some Qi increase herbs, such as Huangqi,Dazao,Danggui,Ginger,Chuanxiong(go up to the head and eyes ,go down to the blood ocean)¡K.Now, let us do the fight to the enemy.There are many ways to do:Plan A 1.Dilute or reduce antibiotics dosage that youchoose, may be 1/100 or 1/1000, or 1/10000,it depends on your drug use experiences or experimental data. 2.Oral use those antibiotics with TCM herbal drink (those boat and Qi herbs which I mention above or others.) 3.By IV injection(if you can find or made those TCM herbal injection I mentioned above) with antibiotics. Or, drinking those herbal drink and wait 15-20 minutes(before meal), then injection the dilute dosage antibiotics. These ideas can became researches.Plan B. 1.use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual with those herbal drinks by oral. 2.use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual with plan A. item 3. 3.use TCM herbal formula to evacuate those antibiotic poisons and warm up the organs after treatment, but the harm of the kidney and liver is already done.Plan C 1.Before use the same dosage of antibiotics as usualwith plan A. and plan B., drink some TCM herbal drink or powder to protect or increase the function of thoseorgans to increase the poisons evacuation ability.I prefer the plan A. more then others. These are myideas.Jean Su Fooyin Institute of TechnologyNursing department.151 Chinhsueh road, Tai-liao HsiangKaohsiung hsien, 831 Taiwan.Republic of China.=====--< ºô ¸ô ¥Í ¬¡¡EºÉ ¦b ©_¼¯ > http://www.kimo.com.twThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 --- <zrosenbe wrote: > I have suggested in writing in the past that a very > similar strategy be > applied (of course, in clinical studies first) to > use of chemotherapy > drugs as well. The idea is in using much smaller > amounts of > chemotherapy drugs with Chinese medicinals to target > specific channels > or zang/fu, and medicinals to clear the viscera of > toxin, protect > correct qi, etc. The second and third strategies > are already in use > with many cancer patients, using Chinese medicinals > to protect the body > from damage from the toxic drugs from chemo. > > I think that, depending on the type and nature of > infection, because of > issues of antibiotic resistance, in theory it would > be best to use > herbal medicinals first according to Chinese pattern > and disease > diagnosis. In integrative strategies, however, I > think Dr. Jeansu's > strategies are quite sound and would be interesting > to actually put into > practice. How soon in the West though seems to be > anyone's guess. > > > On Monday, October 1, 2001, at 07:43 AM, Jeansu > wrote: > > > Dear Prof. > > > > You will be going to appreciate my new thought. > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us do the fight to the enemy. > > There are many ways to do: > > > > Plan A > >  1.Dilute or reduce antibiotics dosage that you > > choose, may be 1/100 or 1/1000, or 1/10000,it > depends > > on your drug use experiences or experimental data. > >  2.Oral use those antibiotics with TCM herbal > drink > > (those boat and Qi herbs which I mention above or > > others.) > > > >  3.By IV injection(if you can find or made those > TCM > > herbal injection I mentioned above) with > antibiotics. > > Or, drinking those herbal drink and wait 15-20 > minutes > > > > (before meal), then injection the dilute dosage > > antibiotics. These ideas can became researches. > > > > > > Plan B. > >  1.use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual > with > > those herbal drinks by oral. > >  2.use the same dosage of antibiotics as usual > with > > plan A. item 3. > >  3.use TCM herbal formula to evacuate those > > antibiotic poisons and warm up the organs after > > treatment, but the harm of the kidney and liver is > > already done. > > > > Plan C > >  1.Before use the same dosage of antibiotics as > usual > > > > with plan A. and plan B., drink some TCM herbal > drink > > or powder to protect or increase the function of > those > > > > organs to increase the poisons evacuation ability. > > > > > > I prefer the plan A. more then others. These are > my > > ideas. > > > > Jean Su > > Fooyin Institute of Technology > > Nursing department. > > 151 Chinhsueh road, Tai-liao Hsiang > > Kaohsiung hsien, 831 Taiwan. > > Republic of China. > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > -- > > < 網 路 生 活•盡 在 奇摩 > > http://www.kimo.com.tw > > > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization > of licensed > > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students > and postgraduate > > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, > provides a variety > > of professional services, including board approved > online continuing > > education. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Hi,Alon, Taiwan's doctor abuse the antibiotics.we got evidence here and anywere. According TCM records,Chinese people use poisons cure diseases,and it all work.The ChuSa is mercury,we use it cure people's desease in old dynesty. So,Notthing can't be used to be drug to cure people.We use stool,urine ,baby fly to cure baby.Do you believe that?Haa! I think proper dosage of antibiotics will be work if the drug is carry to the target place not the whole body. You can do the experienment by yourself to get the evidences,just pay me the tuition fee.Haaa! Jean PS.I am not Dr. ,I am nurse and student. Thank you. ===== -- < ºô ¸ô ¥Í ¬¡¡EºÉ ¦b ©_¼¯ > http://www.kimo.com.tw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: I think Dr. Jeansu's > strategies are quite sound and would be interesting to actually put into > practice. > > Me, too and what a great sense of humor she has, too. I do appreciate these ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Hi,Prof. Thank you for all your compliment. Thank you very much. Jean ===== -- < ºô ¸ô ¥Í ¬¡¡EºÉ ¦b ©_¼¯ > http://www.kimo.com.tw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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