Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Will: What, then, is the typical pulse training at Emperor's? At the school where I teach in Denver, pulse education is usually very brief and limited to a few basics. The Chinese instructors don't have extensive training in pulses, either. Several years ago, I did an entire semester of pulse diagnosis and it was well attended and received; but difficult for the students because nothing I know is asked on the NCCAOM exam, and it does take a long time to develop reliable skills. So, like you, I've turned to doing seminars. Luckily, in the Dong Han system there are only a few of us who developed the skill, so we have little trouble coordinating the findings in our system. Being heavily Nan Jing based may have helped us in this regard. Is there similar consistancy throughout the Shen/Hammer system? While doing clinic supervision, I went on for about 5 minutes describing what I saw in the pulses of one patient. When I finished, the student then asked, " Okay, but what is the diagnosis---spleen deficiency? " I replied, " That *was* the diagnosis. " It was frustrating---for both of us. How do you reconcile working in an school environment where your skills aren't fully utilized? Do you think these issues can be resolved in a Ph.D. program? Jim Ramholz , WMorris116@A... wrote: > In a message dated 10/14/01 11:10:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > rorykerr@w... writes: > > > > Will, I know that you have made valiant efforts to upgrade the status > > of pulse education it Emperor's. How has it worked out, particularly > > in clinic? > > > > Rory...it is more difficult than you can imagine. The convenience of status > quo is prevalent. It is not possible to generate core curriculum that someone > with a bachelor's degree from China could not teach. > > While I have not established academic structure for deeper programs, my > seminars flourish. The good thing is there are three clinical faculty who > know the material so there is a support system in the clinic for those > interns who have such interest. > > Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 In a message dated 10/14/01 9:18:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jramholz writes: What, then, is the typical pulse training at Emperor's? Ray Rubio who followed Dr Shen teaches. Also Yi Qiao who has a book on pulse diagnosis coming out soon teaches. However, it is only 8 hours. Being heavily Nan Jing based may have helped us in this regard. Is there similar consistency throughout the Shen/Hammer system? There is a high edge of correlation between operators when working together over time. How do you reconcile working in a school environment where your skills aren't fully utilized? Some of my students have taken my training so we can operate on fairly sophisticated levels. For the others, I usually identify clear focal points for discussion. As an herbalist, I have no problem using diagnostic patterns students are familiar with. It's really too bad, an atherosclerotic pulse is so easy to identify with a high degree of objectivity. And that's only one. Do you think these issues can be resolved in a Ph.D. program? Absolutely, if the institution is willing to entertain such a focus. Leon Hammer bought a school in Gainesville Florida, it is now called the Dragon Rises School of Oriental Medicine (DRSOM). They will. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 In a message dated 10/15/01 7:32:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, yulong writes: Are you doing any clinical studies related to your pulse work? yes Do you have case histories that document treatment successes and failures which might give insights to readers? yes - they are not ready for publication Can you prepare an journal article that deals with the challenges of teaching pulse diagnosis along with your solutions and the results obtained? yes - I'll need time on this one Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 Will, Are you doing any clinical studies related to your pulse work? Do you have case histories that document treatment successes and failures which might give insights to readers? Can you prepare an journal article that deals with the challenges of teaching pulse diagnosis along with your solutions and the results obtained? We'd certainly be interested in seeing any material along these or related lines submitted for publication in CAOM. Ken , WMorris116@A... wrote: > In a message dated 10/14/01 9:18:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jramholz writes: > > > > What, then, is the typical pulse training at Emperor's? > > Ray Rubio who followed Dr Shen teaches. > Also Yi Qiao who has a book on pulse diagnosis > coming out soon teaches. However, it is only 8 hours. > > > Being heavily Nan Jing based may have helped > > us in this regard. Is there similar consistency throughout the > > Shen/Hammer system? > > > > There is a high edge of correlation between operators when working together > over time. > > > How do you reconcile working in a > > school environment where your skills aren't fully utilized? > > Some of my students have taken my training so we can operate on > fairly sophisticated levels. For the others, I usually identify clear > focal points for discussion. As an herbalist, I have no problem using > diagnostic patterns students are familiar with. > > It's really too bad, an atherosclerotic pulse is so easy to identify > with a high degree of objectivity. And that's only one. > > > think these issues can be resolved in a Ph.D. program? > > > Absolutely, if the institution is willing to entertain such a focus. > Leon Hammer bought a school in Gainesville Florida, it is now called the > Dragon Rises > School of Oriental Medicine (DRSOM). They will. > > Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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