TCM and anthrax

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>>>Well when you inhale some let see what you do

Alon

 

The last thing I would do is FREAK out about it!

 

Teresa

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>> " the practice of Western medicine with

substances that originated in China. "

>>

 

I couldn't agree more that this is extremely

frustrating. What I don't understand is why TCM

schools are so blatantly moving towards this style of

teaching. Where I graduated from (Pacific, NY) they

have changed all the OM classes into categories of

Western diseases. Students are being taught the " 7

TCM patterns of asthma " and the " 4 TCM patterns for

infertility, " etc. Students are taught to memorize

these patterns and fit their patient's diagnosis into

one of them. What ever happened to holism in our

medicine? Students coming out of school are going to

be practicing Western medicine with Chinese herbs and

acupuncture. Why even bother teaching " Chinese

medicine " if one is only equipping students to treat

western diseases (i.e., disease names and not symptom

pattern complexes incorporating tongue, pulse and the

4 exams)?

 

Ross

 

 

 

 

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Hi,ross,

 

>I couldn't agree more that this is extremely

frustrating.What I don't understand is why TCM

schools are so blatantly moving towards this style of

teaching.<

 

Because they want to cover their uninformed of TCM.

 

I am chinese,I got good talent of ancient chinese

language.I leanr I-Ching by myself when I was 19 years

old.I also learned TCM by myself since I was 26 .

I have no any teacher to teach me Pulse Diagnosis and

TCM herbal formula , I figure them out by reading many

many books and think about it,feeling about

it.Someday,All of sudden,I realize how it work.

 

After decade studying TCM,now,I know I am just

standing

in the front door of TCM library ,I even not enter the

TCM room yet.TCM need to spend 30-50 years to study

with(whole your life).So,Why we alwas saying " good TCM

doctors are always aging. "

 

Compare with my experience,I really wonder if people

standing on the western shoes while they learn TCM

acupuncture and herbal formula and others,which are

part of our culture,How deep(or ,high degree) can he

reach TCM?

 

>Where I graduated from (Pacific, NY) they

have changed all the OM classes into categories of

Western diseases.Students are being taught the

TCM patterns of asthma and the TCM patterns for

infertility, Students are taught to memorize

these patterns and fit their patient's diagnosis into

one of them. What ever happened to holism in our

medicine?<

 

I would like to repeat again.TCM is Marco System to

treat patient's deseases,which can't not be

standardized<they are not Micro system.(Japanese try

100s years to standize our herbal formula and they

never work until now.They also can't reach the ability

to create herbal formula for ever because standardized

TCM will distoriy and killing TCM.Not even mentioned

about Korean.

 

They only can focus on some single herb and boasted

the effectiveness of those healthy food to make lots

of money.Like,Ling-hzu,ginkgo leaf which TCM rare to

used to be a cure drugs.These herbs are good to make

money but not drugs can let people prolong and gain

long life.

 

I would like to suggest ,if who want to learn TCM very

well,

1.Learning chinese language and words ASAP and

AB(best)AP.

2.try to cross the culture gap of western and eastern.

3.jump out the WM views to study TCM.

4.Think more and feeling more of TCM theory by your

heart while you study TCM.

5.asking questions.

 

WM and TCM should respect each other, not control or

dominated by some one who think he is powerful then

TCM.Those treasures are in the Library of TCM.

 

>Students coming out of school are going to

be practicing Western medicine with Chinese herbs and

acupuncture. Why even bother teachingChinese

medicine if one is only equipping students to treat

western diseases (i.e., disease names and not symptom

pattern complexes incorporating tongue, pulse and the

4 exams)?<

 

They are wrong!!!

 

Jean

 

 

 

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jean,

whenever i see an e-mail sent by you i can't wait to open it and read your

ideas. you have away of keeping it all so simple and true. thank you for all

your contributions.

susan schiff

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Hi,Susan,

 

Thank you for your suport!I would like to provide more

if I got chance.And ,If I offense any one or any

racial of you,Please forgive my rough.

 

I also want to provide an idea about learning TCM:Be

simple ,because there are too many meterials since

1000s years ago.Read the articles and abstract the

important part and keep it in your mind.Next time

,when you meet same situation,think about the theory

and the abstract,compare it with reality.

You will get progress if you read and think and use it

in TCM process.

 

Jean

 

 

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In a message dated 10/16/01 6:24:55 PM, rossrosen writes:

 

<< Why even bother teaching " Chinese

medicine " if one is only equipping students to treat

western diseases (i.e., disease names and not symptom

pattern complexes incorporating tongue, pulse and the

4 exams)?

 

Ross

>>

 

Why does it have to be one way or another? As far as I can see, the

blending of both modalities is inevitable. We get to get used to that.

There are certainly benefits to Chinese medicine, and there are also benefits

to being able to talk thearapy to someone in the Western culture in terms

that they can understand and will follow.

It is going to be up to the individual Acupuncturist to utilize the best

of both modalities and choose which will be most effective for each patient.

Progress isn't always good. It isn't always bad either.

I have faith that this blended medicine that will take hold in time is

going to be a positive step forward in patient health.

Best Regards,

Chris Allison

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Hi,Chris,

 

>Why does it have to be one way or another? As far as

I can see, the blending of both modalities is

inevitable.

 

I don't think your view is correct.It is not blending,

it is consulting,WM consult TCM,or TCM consult WM in

the future.Unless,the WM experts cross the culture

gap,like we go study abroad in US or Europe,we need to

pass TOFEL and GRE,and really understand TCM at least

90%-95% by reading and study ancient TCM

articles,then,he might qualified blending these two

huge theory in to one.

 

 

>We get to get used to that.

There are certainly benefits to Chinese medicine, and

there are also benefits to being able to talk thearapy

to someone in the Western culture in terms that they

can understand and will follow.

 

If western society people really can feel the

benefitial of TCM,and according my understand,western

society only use 10% or 15% of TCM(both Acupuncture

and herbal formula and others) which we really daily

used both in Mainland and Taiwan,Western people should

try to fine the way how to gain at least 80-90%'s of

TCM ability,not rely on some or few WM experts+ a

little be TCM's text books which only can provide

10-20% TCM.(I am sorry I have to say in this way,I

only speek the truth)

 

After you use 10-20% TCM ability to cure patient

which you only learned so far and find out that TCM

has no function or even,harm the patient ,and the

reason is because you didn't really gain the TCM

skills completely.Then, you turn back to accuse the

TCM is uncivilization or malfunction.And you set the

conclusion that WM is much excellent then TCM.It's not

fare for both TCM and patients.

 

>It is going to be up to the individual Acupuncturist

to utilize the best of both modalities and choose

which will be most effective for each patient.

 

Western society always think Acupunctureist =TCM.

Actually,It is not.Acupuncture is only a simple

tool to bring to every where in ancient China becasue

the doctors wandered every where to do TCM

practice,and acupuncture is much convenience then

other treatment.They also pick herbs us every

where,use stuffs what they can pick up around or can

find around,so,TCM is flexible,not standize.

 

And I would like to provide another idea to make you

guys get impress,ancient TCM

acupuncturist are also excellent Qi-Kun

masters,too.When the patient's Qi is quite weak,The

master using Ne-Kun push Ne-Qi into the point to get

through(connecting) the other point through niddle(or

other media stuff) and the Qi will go as the master

would like the Qi to go(through the chennel).How many

of you can do acupuncture in this way???Ha!!Ha!Ha!

 

And it had better for you not try to do acupuncture

on this way because sick-Qi will fighting back if your

Ne-Qi(you body healty Qi) is not strong enough.That's

why acupuncturist always have to practice Qi-Kun.Ha!!

Like I am telling the fairy tale now.Haaaa!

 

>Progress isn't always good. It isn't always bad

either.

 

For WM,maybe yes, because Antibiotics hurt people's

immue system and organs.There are foumulae to prevent

anthrax or other Wen-Bin in TCM.Anti-biotic is not a

good way.

 

Call President Bush to ask Chair man Chung to provide

some herbal formula for prevent the anthrax is better

then use antibiotics.Those herbal formula is tested

not bad.Ha!!Like soft herbal drinks if you add some

rock sugar and it is humless.

 

>I have faith that this blended medicine that will

take hold in time is going to be a positive step

forward in patient health.

 

100s years later?maybe,But,not now.

 

 

Jean

 

 

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After you use 10-20% TCM ability to cure patientwhich you only learned so far and find out that TCMhas no function or even,harm the patient

>>>>How much time have you spent in TCM hospitals? How much follow-up have you done on patients?

Alon

 

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Jeansu

Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:59 PM

Re: TCM and anthrax

Hi,Chris,>Why does it have to be one way or another? As far asI can see, the blending of both modalities isinevitable. I don't think your view is correct.It is not blending,it is consulting,WM consult TCM,or TCM consult WM inthe future.Unless,the WM experts cross the culturegap,like we go study abroad in US or Europe,we need topass TOFEL and GRE,and really understand TCM at least90%-95% by reading and study ancient TCMarticles,then,he might qualified blending these twohuge theory in to one.>We get to get used to that. There are certainly benefits to Chinese medicine, andthere are also benefits to being able to talk thearapyto someone in the Western culture in terms that theycan understand and will follow.If western society people really can feel thebenefitial of TCM,and according my understand,westernsociety only use 10% or 15% of TCM(both Acupuncture and herbal formula and others) which we really dailyused both in Mainland and Taiwan,Western people shouldtry to fine the way how to gain at least 80-90%'s ofTCM ability,not rely on some or few WM experts+ alittle be TCM's text books which only can provide10-20% TCM.(I am sorry I have to say in this way,Ionly speek the truth)After you use 10-20% TCM ability to cure patientwhich you only learned so far and find out that TCMhas no function or even,harm the patient ,and thereason is because you didn't really gain the TCMskills completely.Then, you turn back to accuse theTCM is uncivilization or malfunction.And you set theconclusion that WM is much excellent then TCM.It's notfare for both TCM and patients.>It is going to be up to the individual Acupuncturistto utilize the best of both modalities and choosewhich will be most effective for each patient.Western society always think Acupunctureist =TCM.Actually,It is not.Acupuncture is only a simpletool to bring to every where in ancient China becasuethe doctors wandered every where to do TCMpractice,and acupuncture is much convenience thenother treatment.They also pick herbs us everywhere,use stuffs what they can pick up around or canfind around,so,TCM is flexible,not standize.And I would like to provide another idea to make youguys get impress,ancient TCMacupuncturist are also excellent Qi-Kunmasters,too.When the patient's Qi is quite weak,Themaster using Ne-Kun push Ne-Qi into the point to getthrough(connecting) the other point through niddle(orother media stuff) and the Qi will go as the masterwould like the Qi to go(through the chennel).How manyof you can do acupuncture in this way???Ha!!Ha!Ha!And it had better for you not try to do acupunctureon this way because sick-Qi will fighting back if yourNe-Qi(you body healty Qi) is not strong enough.That'swhy acupuncturist always have to practice Qi-Kun.Ha!!Like I am telling the fairy tale now.Haaaa!>Progress isn't always good. It isn't always badeither. For WM,maybe yes, because Antibiotics hurt people'simmue system and organs.There are foumulae to preventanthrax or other Wen-Bin in TCM.Anti-biotic is not agood way.Call President Bush to ask Chair man Chung to providesome herbal formula for prevent the anthrax is betterthen use antibiotics.Those herbal formula is testednot bad.Ha!!Like soft herbal drinks if you add somerock sugar and it is humless.>I have faith that this blended medicine that will take hold in time is going to be a positive stepforward in patient health. 100s years later?maybe,But,not now.Jean=====--------------------------------< ¨C¤Ñ³£ ©_¼¯ > www..twThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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Call President Bush to ask Chair man Chung to providesome herbal formula for prevent the anthrax is betterthen use antibiotics.Those herbal formula is testednot bad.Ha!!Like soft herbal drinks if you add somerock sugar and it is humless.>>>Well when you inhale some let see what you do

Alon

 

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Jeansu

Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:59 PM

Re: TCM and anthrax

Hi,Chris,>Why does it have to be one way or another? As far asI can see, the blending of both modalities isinevitable. I don't think your view is correct.It is not blending,it is consulting,WM consult TCM,or TCM consult WM inthe future.Unless,the WM experts cross the culturegap,like we go study abroad in US or Europe,we need topass TOFEL and GRE,and really understand TCM at least90%-95% by reading and study ancient TCMarticles,then,he might qualified blending these twohuge theory in to one.>We get to get used to that. There are certainly benefits to Chinese medicine, andthere are also benefits to being able to talk thearapyto someone in the Western culture in terms that theycan understand and will follow.If western society people really can feel thebenefitial of TCM,and according my understand,westernsociety only use 10% or 15% of TCM(both Acupuncture and herbal formula and others) which we really dailyused both in Mainland and Taiwan,Western people shouldtry to fine the way how to gain at least 80-90%'s ofTCM ability,not rely on some or few WM experts+ alittle be TCM's text books which only can provide10-20% TCM.(I am sorry I have to say in this way,Ionly speek the truth)After you use 10-20% TCM ability to cure patientwhich you only learned so far and find out that TCMhas no function or even,harm the patient ,and thereason is because you didn't really gain the TCMskills completely.Then, you turn back to accuse theTCM is uncivilization or malfunction.And you set theconclusion that WM is much excellent then TCM.It's notfare for both TCM and patients.>It is going to be up to the individual Acupuncturistto utilize the best of both modalities and choosewhich will be most effective for each patient.Western society always think Acupunctureist =TCM.Actually,It is not.Acupuncture is only a simpletool to bring to every where in ancient China becasuethe doctors wandered every where to do TCMpractice,and acupuncture is much convenience thenother treatment.They also pick herbs us everywhere,use stuffs what they can pick up around or canfind around,so,TCM is flexible,not standize.And I would like to provide another idea to make youguys get impress,ancient TCMacupuncturist are also excellent Qi-Kunmasters,too.When the patient's Qi is quite weak,Themaster using Ne-Kun push Ne-Qi into the point to getthrough(connecting) the other point through niddle(orother media stuff) and the Qi will go as the masterwould like the Qi to go(through the chennel).How manyof you can do acupuncture in this way???Ha!!Ha!Ha!And it had better for you not try to do acupunctureon this way because sick-Qi will fighting back if yourNe-Qi(you body healty Qi) is not strong enough.That'swhy acupuncturist always have to practice Qi-Kun.Ha!!Like I am telling the fairy tale now.Haaaa!>Progress isn't always good. It isn't always badeither. For WM,maybe yes, because Antibiotics hurt people'simmue system and organs.There are foumulae to preventanthrax or other Wen-Bin in TCM.Anti-biotic is not agood way.Call President Bush to ask Chair man Chung to providesome herbal formula for prevent the anthrax is betterthen use antibiotics.Those herbal formula is testednot bad.Ha!!Like soft herbal drinks if you add somerock sugar and it is humless.>I have faith that this blended medicine that will take hold in time is going to be a positive stepforward in patient health. 100s years later?maybe,But,not now.Jean=====--------------------------------< ¨C¤Ñ³£ ©_¼¯ > www..twThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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Hi,ALON,

 

> Call President Bush to ask Chair man Chung to

> provide some herbal formula for prevent the anthrax

is better then use antibiotics.Those herbal formula is

tested not bad.Ha!!Like soft herbal drinks if you add

some rock sugar and it is humless.

>

Well when you inhale some let see what you do

> Alon

Don't be so defencsive,you are not scientific.You are

too emotion. Mayb TCM herbs can find some thing better

to let US people eat antibitic without any

disease.This will weak their immue system.

 

You are not scienticfic.

 

jean

 

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Hi,Alone,

 

How much time have you spent in TCM hospitals?

> How much follow-up have you done on patients?

> Alon

You guess!1

 

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Certainly not but I would take antibiotics

 

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Teresa Hall

Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:00 PM

Re: TCM and anthrax

 

 

>>>Well when you inhale some let see what you do

Alon

 

The last thing I would do is FREAK out about it!

 

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Mayb TCM herbs can find some thing betterto let US people eat antibitic without anydisease.

>>>>I do not think anybody is talking about taking medicine if one is not sick

Alon

 

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Jeansu

Friday, October 19, 2001 9:34 AM

Re: TCM and anthrax

Hi,ALON,> Call President Bush to ask Chair man Chung to> provide some herbal formula for prevent the anthraxis better then use antibiotics.Those herbal formula istested not bad.Ha!!Like soft herbal drinks if you addsome rock sugar and it is humless.> Well when you inhale some let see what you do> AlonDon't be so defencsive,you are not scientific.You aretoo emotion. Mayb TCM herbs can find some thing betterto let US people eat antibitic without anydisease.This will weak their immue system.You are not scienticfic.jean =====--------------------------------< ¨C¤Ñ³£ ©_¼¯ > www..twThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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Hi,

>Certainly not but I would take antibiotics

Sure,it is your free choice!

 

Jean

 

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