Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Hi,alon, > please don't doing personal attack > >>>>I have never attacked you > Alon I didn't say you attack me.I mean ,When people in this group have different opinions,please provide yours,and avoid the personal attack as better as possible. I am sorry to see that Cara quite to discuss with us. I also hope she can provide her opinion if she really don't like mine. This is the meaning of demacacy,Right? Every one has right to expression his/her opinions!! If you don't agree any of it,provide another new opinion to debat,not just quite or doing emotional reactions. Thank you for your responds all the time.It make me think more,read more. Jean ===== -------------------------------- < ¨C¤Ñ³£ ©_¼¯ > www..tw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Under what kind of "belief without support"?Have you do every experimeant by yourself to provide the supportive evidences in both WM and TCM?Have youbeen taste every medication(Both WM and TCM) while you do treatment?Have you been acupunctureyour salf for treatment to feel the feeling?>>>>Obviously we are seeing the different approaches to evaluation live in these discussions. As far as medicine I will stick to a multiple center and reproduction of data as a method of choose you can do what you want Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Do you think the captain can make the ship go to USAif he follow the direction of airplain pilot?Even,Can he make the ship move if he really follow theorder of the pilot?>>>I do not care how you get there but I want verification you got to the usa Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Living in SW Fl. and working with mostly older retired people who were raised in western culture. They seem to have a believe that there "disease" is a separate entity. I also believe that a large part of our responsibility is to educate our clients in basic life style changes so as to prevent the need for mine or any other persons assistance - ALON MARCUS Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:41 PM Re: Culture shock The hardest part of the task is trying to explain that I don't care whatname western medicine has put on there " disease" that I am going to treatThe whole person and not just the disease >>Why do you feel you have too Alon - Richard Campbell Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:10 AM Re: Culture shock My first intro to TCM came thru a Sholin priest. After 2 yrs of training inQi Gong ,pointing and touch therapy I have stopped trying to explain how itworks. Western minds simply will mot except it.Although I use Qi Gong onabout 50% of my clients few are aware of it at the time.And I'm aware that my limited understanding of Chinese culture greatlyreduces my ability to excel in my chosen craft I have been able to helphundreds of people regain health thru TCM.The hardest part of the task is trying to explain that I don't care whatname western medicine has put on there " disease" that I am going to treatThe whole person and not just the disease. -"Teresa Hall" <Teresa.bodywork4uMonday, October 15, 2001 11:52 PMRe: Culture shock> Hi Jean <insert smile>>> > Hi, Groups,> >> > Do you feel that you get shock in my question> > yesterday? How dare you (Jean Su) could say TCM & WM> > in that way? You do against the tendency of modern> > science.>> No not shocked!> >> > Every thing should have scientific evidences to prove.> > Other wise, you are not the people of modern society.> > You are savage. (It's just like I am doing the acute> > puncture to WM. Ha!Ha!)>> Prior to going to TCM school... I work in a Scientific Research lab. We> studied alcoholism in rats... actually more specifically pyrithiamine> induced thiamine deficiency. Then we look at the brains. One of the> things, I learned is that if you massage the data enough, one will find> something significant !!>> Anywise, I believe sooooooo much in TCM and no I do not need to see> scientific data. I know it has worked for thousands and thousands ofpeople> over the years, and that is good enough for me.> I have experienced the wonders of TCM on myself... and that is enough to> make me a believer.>> I am grateful that in this life that I can practice TCM... in my pastlife,> I could not practice only watch and observe because I was a female,however> my Uncle new very much!> >> > Few years ago, I met a Ph.D. of KYOTO University, he> > is Taiwanese, and also, he has good gifted talent of> > Qi4-Kun. When he us his finger tip point your meridum> > (points), from far distance (100cm) You will feel the> > heat flu fluently in your channel .He didn't do this> > performance all the time, I requested him to do so. He> > even didn't use needle., only finger tip.> >> > Am I crazy? No, My mind was clear .It was in a office> > of our school many people also stayed in that office> > at that moment.>> This does not surprise me much... because I can only imagine how powerful> the mind is, and the more one becomes united with the Universe and all its> abundant energy, well many things are possible!> >> > What if the hypothesis of research go the wrong way,> > should we trust the result of scientific evidences?> Based on my experiences... I would find it very difficult to ever relysoley> on Scientific standards!>> I believe people will seek the Medicine that resonates with them... many> more Westerners seem to seeking out something different then what they are> used to. Maybe that speaks for itself! Maybe we are already seeing that> people are searching for more then a proven scientific method.>> I believe Buddha speaks on healing... and says that some people will notbe> healed, regardless of the modality used.>> Thank you Jeansu for the discussion!!!>> Teresa>> Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter ifI> have said it,> unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.">> -- The Buddha>>>>> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcarepractitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializingin Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,including board approved online continuing education.>> http://www..org>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Do you feel that you get shock in my questionyesterday? How dare you (Jean Su) could say TCM & WMin that way? You do against the tendency of modernscience.>>>I will not reply to this theme any longer Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 ditto Mark - alonmarcus Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:28 PM Re: Culture shock Do you feel that you get shock in my questionyesterday? How dare you (Jean Su) could say TCM & WMin that way? You do against the tendency of modernscience.>>>I will not reply to this theme any longer AlonChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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