Dose

[Guest guest]

This does appear to be true in the Pi Wei Lun, as well as in the Wen

Bing Tradition, if you look at the formulas of Ye Tian Shi. Since Li

was very concerned with the state of Middle Jiao Qi, and especially

the posiiibility of spleen damp draining downward into the lower

burner, the doses could be small in order to raise. Lighter doses in

some traditions are looked at in this way. Another possibility is the

physical stature of the people at that point in history. Perhaps they

responded well to smaller doses of herbs. Ye Tian Shi, coming from a

province that was hot and damp avoided large doses of herbs, as has

been my experience with herbalists who were trained in the south of

China. Apropos of the comment Li makes on the review and commentary

on the classics, the Jin Yuan period in medicine occured during a

time in Chinese history where there was much upheaval due to the

invasions of the Mongold and the Tartars. Doctors, as well as great

thinkers of the era were pre-occupied with the re-evaluation of the

classics in order to come to terms with the prevailing winds of

change.

 

Steven

 

, " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...>

wrote:

> In re-reading Li Dong treatis on sp st i am wandering about herb

dosage he uses. It seems like he uses extremely small doses (more

like kampo) than we see today.

> Another interesting comment is " Although the methods of the sages

are published in their books, there may be some shortcomings, and

(we) should carry out investigation and make corrections. "

> Alon

> -

> ALON MARCUS

>

> Monday, October 22, 2001 9:52 AM

> Re: Re: perspectives

[Guest guest]

Hi, Steven,

 

>This does appear to be true in the Pi Wei Lun, as

well as in the Wen Bing Tradition, if you look at the

formulas of Ye Tian Shi. Since Li was very concerned

with the state of Middle Jiao Qi, and especially

the posiiibility of spleen damp draining downward

into the lower burner, the doses could be small in

order to raise.<

 

According to TCM books,spleen damp draining not only

downward into the lower burner but also go up to the

lung ,then go down to the kindey.It depends on the

function of herb.

 

 

>Lighter doses in some traditions are looked at in

this way.

The dose is rely on :

1.the patient's situation:heavy situation use heavy

dosage,simple situation use light dosage.But,first,

you have to make the correct diagnosis by four

stepes.

2.doctor's experiences of the herbal use.

3.the herb's catracter.some herb use small dosage,

some need big dosage.

4.the enviorment and weather condition the

patient stayed.

5.Another possibility is the physical condition of the

 

patient.

 

>Ye Tian Shi, coming from a province that was hot and

damp avoided large doses of herbs, as has been my

experience with herbalists who were trained in the

south of China.

 

Correct!

 

 

 

=====

 

 

--------------------------------

< ¨C¤Ñ³£ ©_¼¯ > www..tw

[Guest guest]

Steven

>>>Interesting. I saw a dr in canton that used only flowers for reasons you mentioned

thanks

Alon

[Guest guest]

Steven

>>>Interesting. I saw a Dr in canton that used only flowers for reasons you mentioned

>>>However, as all my teachers were from canton most almost all were using normal doses

Alon

-

 

alonmarcus

Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:51 AM

Re: Re: Dose

 

Steven

>>>Interesting. I saw a dr in canton that used only flowers for reasons you mentioned

thanks

AlonChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

Alon

 

I'm sure you have observed more herbalists than I have. In my

experience working with a few doctors from different parts of China,

the doctors from the more cold and northern provinces tended to favor

formulas with a larger number of ingredients and higher doses, while

those from warmer climates used less ingredients and lowere doses.

This in itself tended to be predicated also by individual style, as

you noted with the doctor who liked flowers in his formulas.

 

Thanks,

 

Steven

 

, " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...>

wrote:

> Steven

> >>>Interesting. I saw a Dr in canton that used only flowers for

reasons you mentioned

> >>>However, as all my teachers were from canton most almost all

were using normal doses

> Alon

> -

> alonmarcus@w...

>

> Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:51 AM

> Re: Re: Dose

>

>

> Steven

> >>>Interesting. I saw a dr in canton that used only flowers for

reasons you mentioned

> thanks

> Alon

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have never observed anybody from the north so I do not know

Alon

 

-

taohongjing

Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:39 AM

Re: Dose

AlonI'm sure you have observed more herbalists than I have. In my experience working with a few doctors from different parts of China, the doctors from the more cold and northern provinces tended to favor formulas with a larger number of ingredients and higher doses, while those from warmer climates used less ingredients and lowere doses. This in itself tended to be predicated also by individual style, as you noted with the doctor who liked flowers in his formulas. Thanks, Steven, "ALON MARCUS" <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:> Steven> >>>Interesting. I saw a Dr in canton that used only flowers for reasons you mentioned> >>>However, as all my teachers were from canton most almost all were using normal doses> Alon> - > alonmarcus@w... > > Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:51 AM> Re: Re: Dose> > > Steven> >>>Interesting. I saw a dr in canton that used only flowers for reasons you mentioned> thanks> Alon> >