Why standardize herbal formula is running wrong hypothesis develop wrong result?

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1.one single variable cause one result.

 

>>:>That is such a misunderstanding. For example my Dad as done longjetudenal studies in schizophrenia. The work with hundreds of variables and use very sophisticated statistics. It only pharmaceuticals research that is done in simplistic way. WM and science is not a monolithic process

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Jeansu

 

Monday, November 05, 2001 3:34 AM

Why standardize herbal formula is running wrong hypothesis develop wrong result?

Dear group,especially for Alon,I assume that every one of you all known modernscientific research methods very well.In scientific research,the first steps is definevariables,set independent variables and dependentvariables.Make hypothesis,prove factors/(indenpendent)variables causes/or the correlation ofresults(dependent variables),and some others.Therefore,1.one single variable cause one result.2.Ten independent variables may/may not gather intofactors and affect the results in many ways.3.Each single independent variable of ten variableschanged,the final results also changed,too.4.One single herbal formula(if you treat it as avariable) cause one treatment effect.A.An extremely excellent TCM doctor who create herbalformula for each patient.Each single person use onesingle herbal formula he create and he will adjust theherbal formula according to the patient's need,addsome herbs or delete some.Sometimes,One single herbalthe doctor changed,the patient got dramatic developfor the disease and get well immediately.If he is excellent enough,each patient has own herbalformula and personal adjust by the doctor.If you request every herbal formula should havescientific evidence,how many variables the doctor haveto do research for the scientific evidences.B.most new doctor use ancient TCM master's formula tobe a standard to cure patient.He might use it to be a basic standrad and add some/delete some herbsaccording to the need of the patient.How could headd/delete the standardize herbal formula such as lio-wei-di-houng-wen and others.C.sometimes,the doctor combind three or four herbalformula in to one formula or combined partial herbalof those(three or four)herbal formula into oneformula.How could he turn the pill or mixed powder intoseprate herbs.d.while we cooked raw herbal formula,we needhor-ho(the fire degree).(Japan scientific researcherhadbeen check the effect of charcoal fire,the result wasthe charcoal fire the greatest fire while you do BBQ).according to my experience,If your herbal formula iseffect for the petient,while you cooked the raw herbalformula and the formula is cooked in just finecondition,the smell you have from the pot will makepatient feel comfortable.There are some herbs need to cook first;some herbsneed to wait until the cook almot complete.How cloudstandardize formula reach that goal.e.Concoct:some herbs have to concoct beforeuse.Sometimes,ginger need to stired fry in soil,stirfry with wine,or turn it into charcoal...it all relyon the concoct according to the patient's conditions.f.how many understand in western about the singleherb's effect and the combined herbal formula chemicaleffect if you didn't follow the ancient TCMapproaches.g.the technology to turn herbal drink into pills orpowder still can't in 100 % good. 7.someothers I didn't mentioned.I am not deny all the function of western approach.Those question above should have new ideas to solvethe problem in the not far future. I hope those western pharmacy experts should pay more attention on how tradition chinese medicineapproach make herbal formula,as close as possible,Not in western approach to make TCM herbal powder orpill.Standardize herbal formula will limited the flexibleof TCM.Western should figure out the solution methodsin TCM approcah,not in western approach.Therefore ,I would like to invide the western expertsto get the whole pictures of TCM,after that, createthe real TCM herbal formula powder or pill in westernapproach. If western ignore the primary step while do TCMpharmacy, may I say as Alon's thinking process,You are not objective.You miss too many detail ofvaribles changed while you do scientific evidences.Jean=====--------------------------------< ¨C¤Ñ³£ ©_¼¯ > www..twThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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Hi,alon,

 

1.one single variable cause one result.

 

> >>:>That is such a misunderstanding. For example my

> Dad as done longjetudenal studies in schizophrenia.

> The work with hundreds of variables and use very

> sophisticated statistics. It only pharmaceuticals

> research that is done in simplistic way. WM and

> science is not a monolithic process

 

Yes,Your father work with hundreds of variables.What

if the variables increased into

100000,1000000,10000000

,well,give me answers.

 

I am not telling that there is no solution to do with

compute.I am telling a clinic doctor can't run

so many data because he is not the reaseacher.

 

He have to face the patient immediately.You can't

request him provide scientific evidences for every

single formula.

 

Jean

 

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Yes,Your father work with hundreds of variables.Whatif the variables increased into100000,1000000,10000000,well,give me answers.

>>>Obviously no control possible, but how do you know from TCM?

Alon

 

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Jeansu

Monday, November 05, 2001 4:04 PM

Re: Why standardize herbal formula is running wrong hypothesis develop wrong result?

Hi,alon,1.one single variable cause one result.> >>:>That is such a misunderstanding. For example my> Dad as done longjetudenal studies in schizophrenia.> The work with hundreds of variables and use very> sophisticated statistics. It only pharmaceuticals> research that is done in simplistic way. WM and> science is not a monolithic processYes,Your father work with hundreds of variables.Whatif the variables increased into100000,1000000,10000000,well,give me answers.I am not telling that there is no solution to do withcompute.I am telling a clinic doctor can't run so many data because he is not the reaseacher.He have to face the patient immediately.You can't request him provide scientific evidences for every single formula.Jean=====--------------------------------< ¨C¤Ñ³£ ©_¼¯ > www..twThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.