Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Here's an interesting passage from the new warm disease book from eastland (online review to come). Dai tian Zhang says that purgatives CANNOT be used to early in the course of a warm disease. that is very interesting because we frequently read that purgatives used too early in cold damage leads to the complaint being driven in deeper. The author, guohui liu, agrees that this method of tx can shorten the course and improve outcome. Now that sounds more like the naturopathic approach to treating fevers. Perhaps it has some validity after all. I find that most relatively mild seasonal URI's conform to wind cold at the early stage and thus treat them with few cooling herbs and only those that are spicy to relieve surface. However, in a true warm disease, which is more serious than simple cold, perhaps purging is indicated. -- , FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 there are a couple of things I'm not sure about in your post: At 1:24 AM -0800 11/20/01, >Here's an interesting passage from the new warm disease book from >eastland (online review to come). Dai tian Zhang says that >purgatives CANNOT be used to early in the course of a warm disease. -- This is an ambiguous statement - it could mean either that they should be used as early as possible or that they must not be used too early. > > that is very interesting because we frequently read that >purgatives used too early in cold damage leads to the complaint >being driven in deeper. The author, guohui liu, agrees that this >method of tx can shorten the course and improve outcome. Now that >sounds more like the naturopathic approach to treating fevers. >Perhaps it has some validity after all. I find that most relatively >mild seasonal URI's conform to wind cold at the early stage and thus >treat them with few cooling herbs and only those that are spicy to >relieve surface. However, in a true warm disease, which is more >serious than simple cold, perhaps purging is indicated. -- A wei level disease is a true warm disease, and purging is contraindicated at this level. Perhaps by true warm disease you mean at the qi level. Even at that level, purging is not always indicated - eg. bai hu tang is not purgative. It is hard to see the relevance of purging an exterior syndrome - how does purging remove a pathogen from the exterior? Of course, we could create a new classic: ma huang da huang tang... catchy name; I'm sure we could find someone to market it. Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 , Rory Kerr <rorykerr@w...> wrote: > there are a couple of things I'm not sure about in your post: > > At 1:24 AM -0800 11/20/01, > >Here's an interesting passage from the new warm disease book from > >eastland (online review to come). Dai tian Zhang says that > >purgatives CANNOT be used to early in the course of a warm disease. > -- > This is an ambiguous statement - it could mean either that they > should be used as early as possible or that they must not be used too > early. It is clear in the book because statements before and after indicate that it is desirable to use purgatives in the earliest stage of warm disease > > > > -- > A wei level disease is a true warm disease, and purging is > contraindicated at this level. Perhaps by true warm disease you mean > at the qi level. I think the author is referring to the wei level, it being the earliest stage of warm disease. I am not expert at warm disease, but how do you know purging is contraindicated at this level. that is what I also thought. I will read more and let you know what I find. It is hard to see the relevance > of purging an exterior syndrome - how does purging remove a pathogen > from the exterior? the author specifically uses the term knocking the logs out from under the fire, i.e. removing the fuel for the heat. I do not think he means purging alone, but perhaps with exterior releasing. keep you posted. > > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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