Five Phase Complexity

[Guest guest]

All,

 

> The first clinical aspect is found when viewing 5-Phases as a

> diagram of a self-organizing system.

[ . . .] The dynamic interaction of 5-Phases best analyzes and

> predicts the future possible states of patients and seasons as

> described in the Mai Jing and Yun Qi sections of the Nei Jing.

 

Yes, but what one needs to keep in mind is that it is not an energetic

automata and that its predictive abilities depend upon information inputs

(that is the relationships do not necessarily exist as permanent states).

Friedman and Birch's phenomenological equasions for the five phases prove

is that five phases cannot describe an energy transfer system. If it did, the

system would fly apart (e.g. energy would build within the system by the

nature of the five phase relationships). On the other hand, if what the five

phases describe is practicable relationships based on an informational

exchange (a network, not an energy grid), the system is stable. This is a

critical point because assuming that the qi associated with the five phases is

a work-performing energy is not only ahistorical (the Chinese did not

describe qi as energy) but also unworkable (if it were energy the system

would fail).

 

These equasions have stood up to some significant scrutiny by

mathematicians and physicists and have been proposed as the basis for

linking to test instrumentation. The paper is in the appendicies Chasing the

Dragon's Tail, and is not available on-line but there is a preliminary version

in The American Journal of Acupuncture 17:4, pp 261-266, 1989.

 

Bob

 

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Robert L. Felt Brookline MA 02445

617-738-4664

[Guest guest]

Bob:

 

You bring up a wonderful and interesting point that I have tried to

include in past posts. For me, Birch's essay was the most

interesting part of the book. I always try to mention it when I

teach.

 

Has there been any further development of thinking along this line?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

 

, " Robert L. Felt " <bob@p...> wrote:

> All,

>

> > The first clinical aspect is found when viewing 5-Phases as a

> > diagram of a self-organizing system.

> [ . . .] The dynamic interaction of 5-Phases best analyzes and

> > predicts the future possible states of patients and seasons as

> > described in the Mai Jing and Yun Qi sections of the Nei Jing.

>

> Yes, but what one needs to keep in mind is that it is not an

energetic

> automata and that its predictive abilities depend upon information

inputs

> (that is the relationships do not necessarily exist as permanent

states).

> Friedman and Birch's phenomenological equasions for the five

phases prove

> is that five phases cannot describe an energy transfer system. If

it did, the

> system would fly apart (e.g. energy would build within the system

by the

> nature of the five phase relationships). On the other hand, if

what the five

> phases describe is practicable relationships based on an

informational

> exchange (a network, not an energy grid), the system is stable.

This is a

> critical point because assuming that the qi associated with the

five phases is

> a work-performing energy is not only ahistorical (the Chinese did

not

> describe qi as energy) but also unworkable (if it were energy the

system

> would fail).

>

> These equasions have stood up to some significant scrutiny by

> mathematicians and physicists and have been proposed as the basis

for

> linking to test instrumentation. The paper is in the appendicies

Chasing the

> Dragon's Tail, and is not available on-line but there is a

preliminary version

> in The American Journal of Acupuncture 17:4, pp 261-266, 1989.

>

> Bob

>

> bob@p... Paradigm Publications

> www.paradigm-pubs.com 44 Linden Street

> Robert L. Felt Brookline

MA 02445

> 617-738-4664