Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 , " Colleen Morris " <colleen@d...> wrote: > Why would you want to miss class anyway? I asked a friend of mine in > medical school if he skipped class. He replied by saying " What will I > tell my patient? I'm sorry Mrs. Jones, I don't know how to treat your > disease because I skipped class that day. " That really assumes that class is where you learn. When I was in Acu school, I felt my classes really catered to the lowest common denominator of the students. class went so slow and was so spoonfed with pauses for so many irrelevant questions that my time was much better spent reading. I can absorb many times the material reading in a given period of time compared to listening. I am not talking about classes where one learns techniques, but where one is lectured rote material from books. In the days before many books, class was vital, but that is not the case today for subjects like materia medica. We are revamping the curriculum at PCOM so that class is used mainly for case-oriented learning where applicable. My class is materia medica, which must be fairly rote. However, some students are audio learners and find that class is essential; others are visual/readers and class is not that important. Some of my best students are fairly slack in attendance. I have to fail them if they miss too many classes (school policy), but I do not necessarily see a problem when they miss 3 or 4. These same studens also tend to perform well in clinic. So it is important not to generalize about this. What is important for one (student or type of class) is not for another when it comes to learning. I definitely don't agree that missing certain classes will result in one not knowing something essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 1 wrote: > I felt my classes really catered to the lowest common > denominator of the students. class went so slow and was so spoonfed > with pauses for so many irrelevant questions that my time was much > better spent reading. Halleluah, brother! -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 ditto! Mark Reese - " Al Stone " <alstone Friday, December 28, 2001 1:01 PM Re: Re: missing class/was Digest #818 > > > 1 wrote: > > > I felt my classes really catered to the lowest common > > denominator of the students. class went so slow and was so spoonfed > > with pauses for so many irrelevant questions that my time was much > > better spent reading. > > Halleluah, brother! > > -- > Al Stone L.Ac. > <AlStone > http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 It's a shame that our teachers have nothing to offer our students other than what is printed in the books. I had an American teacher one quarter for herbs - a disaster. My next 3 quarters were with a Chinese teacher. It was wonderful. She wrote the Chinese characters on the board and translated the Chinese, which gave us so much more of an insight into the herbs. This is how I picked up a bit of Chinese. I wouldn't have missed those classes for the world. I am sure there are many teachers on this list so perhaps you should take note that if your students are skipping class, perhaps you are not passing along enough of your experience. This is where we learn, not from a book. Happy New Year!! Colleen -- In , " Colleen Morris " <colleen@d...> wrote: > Why would you want to miss class anyway? I asked a friend of mine in > medical school if he skipped class. He replied by saying " What will I > tell my patient? I'm sorry Mrs. Jones, I don't know how to treat your > disease because I skipped class that day. " That really assumes that class is where you learn. When I was in Acu school, I felt my classes really catered to the lowest common denominator of the students. class went so slow and was so spoonfed with pauses for so many irrelevant questions that my time was much better spent reading. I can absorb many times the material reading in a given period of time compared to listening. I am not talking about classes where one learns techniques, but where one is lectured rote material from books. In the days before many books, class was vital, but that is not the case today for subjects like materia medica. We are revamping the curriculum at PCOM so that class is used mainly for case-oriented learning where applicable. My class is materia medica, which must be fairly rote. However, some students are audio learners and find that class is essential; others are visual/readers and class is not that important. Some of my best students are fairly slack in attendance. I have to fail them if they miss too many classes (school policy), but I do not necessarily see a problem when they miss 3 or 4. These same studens also tend to perform well in clinic. So it is important not to generalize about this. What is important for one (student or type of class) is not for another when it comes to learning. I definitely don't agree that missing certain classes will result in one not knowing something essential. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 , " Colleen Morris " <colleen@d...> wrote: \ > > I am sure there are many teachers on this list so perhaps you should > take note that if your students are skipping class, perhaps you are not > passing along enough of your experience. This is where we learn, not > from a book. Colleen Its a difficult situation. Some students want to hear about things other than they read in the book. Some students don't want to read the book and they want you to basically read it to them. I have worked for a long time to try and encourage students to read the material prior to coming to class so class can be more interactive than straight rote lecture. I have some plans for next semester to greatly increase this. I'll let you know how it goes. I suppose the unspoken converse of my statements was when my classes catered to a higher denominator and did cover material other than textbook material, I attended them enthusiastically. Ironically, my best classroom teachers were Americans who read chinese medical chinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 Ironically, my best classroom teachers were Americans who read Chinese medical Chinese >>>Because you are an interested student and wanted as much info as you could. We certainly can use as many teachers/writers that can read medical Chinese well. I for my self was very impatient with reading the books to me, or just giving information without contextual experiential input etc. What do you do in your class now. Alon - 1 Monday, December 31, 2001 6:52 PM Re: missing class/was Digest #818 , "Colleen Morris" <colleen@d...> wrote:\> > I am sure there are many teachers on this list so perhaps you should> take note that if your students are skipping class, perhaps you are not> passing along enough of your experience. This is where we learn, not> from a book.ColleenIts a difficult situation. Some students want to hear about things other than they read in the book. Some students don't want to read the book and they want you to basically read it to them. I have worked for a long time to try and encourage students to read the material prior to coming to class so class can be more interactive than straight rote lecture. I have some plans for next semester to greatly increase this. I'll let you know how it goes. I suppose the unspoken converse of my statements was when my classes catered to a higher denominator and did cover material other than textbook material, I attended them enthusiastically. Ironically, my best classroom teachers were Americans who read chinese medical chinese. ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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