Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 At 10:09 AM -0800 12/31/01, ALON MARCUS wrote: Rather the benefit is that by studying the language you grasp the structure of thought that in inherent in the medicine, and without that you don't fully 'get' the medicine. I think that is an interesting question to address. >>>>>That is were I have still a difficult time with this argument. And again, I believe that student first priority is to learn to be good clinicians. And that's were time is of essence. -- What difficulty are you having with it? Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 As a teacher in two colleges and also on the seminar circuit, I'd say that without question the most valuable next addition would medical Chinese language. It is a major missing link in our education at present. A one unit class per semester for 12 semesters would be an immense improvement, and not incredibly burdensome for the student or institution. >>>>That would be workable i would think Alon - Rory Kerr Monday, December 31, 2001 10:16 AM Re: dr. title/language again At 4:42 PM +0000 12/31/01, jramholz wrote:>The time/benefit *is* an important question, too...>>The issue of time/benefit at this stage of development in our>profession is largely about the social and financial considerations.>Are classes now adequate and sufficient to go the next step and>spend extra time requiring language?--As a teacher in two colleges and also on the seminar circuit, I'd say that without question the most valuable next addition would medical Chinese language. It is a major missing link in our education at present. A one unit class per semester for 12 semesters would be an immense improvement, and not incredibly burdensome for the student or institution.>Can schools do it and remain>solvent? Are we are putting an extra burden on schools who often>have small enrollments and limited financial resources? Will a>language requirement discourage application to schools?--I can't imagine any serious student intent on becoming a practitioner not signing up for this reason, assuming that it was a requirement at all schools. Of course, it would have to be a requirement for accreditation to create an even playing field.>The return>on this investment hasn't been demonstrated yet.--Not sure what this means. Whose investment, in what?>If there are now>not enough competent teachers now for classes in English who can>survey the published translations and commentaries, the burden on>finding new teachers who know how to teach the language only>compounds a school's problems.--I don't think it is necessary to find all new teachers. Finding a teacher for the medical Chinese class could not be too difficult. Current teachers of other CM classes can be brought up to speed over time, and if they refuse, can be replaced over the longer term. It doesn't need to be an all at once transition. In the short term, it would be more important that they be committed to the project, than to be expert.Rory-- Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 I think one can understand TMC concepts without knowing Chinese Alon - Rory Kerr Monday, December 31, 2001 10:36 AM Re: Re: dr. title/language again At 10:09 AM -0800 12/31/01, ALON MARCUS wrote: Ratherthe benefit is that by studying the language you grasp the structureof thought that in inherent in the medicine, and without that youdon't fully 'get' the medicine. I think that is an interestingquestion to address. >>>>>That is were I have still a difficult time with this argument. And again, I believe that student first priority is to learn to be good clinicians. And that's were time is of essence. -- What difficulty are you having with it? Rory-- Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 Alon, My experience is that it is much less of a struggle to work out pattern diagnosis for patients by thinking through symptoms, signs, pulses and tongues with a base in medical Chinese. On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 12:11 PM, ALON MARCUS wrote: > I think one can understand TMC concepts without knowing Chinese > Alon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 ----- Original MesMy experience is that it is much less of a struggle to work out pattern diagnosis for patients by thinking through symptoms, signs, pulses and tongues with a base in medical Chinese >>>>>That is the only way to do it. But why the Chinese? Alon sage ----- Monday, December 31, 2001 2:40 PM Re: Re: dr. title/language again Alon,My experience is that it is much less of a struggle to work out pattern diagnosis for patients by thinking through symptoms, signs, pulses and tongues with a base in medical Chinese. On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 12:11 PM, ALON MARCUS wrote: I think one can understand TMC concepts without knowing ChineseAlon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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