Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 The next innovation of Western Medicine will be the integration of . There's the great section of The Web where Kaptchuk posits that Western Medicine bding innovative can embrace CM whereas CM will not be CM if it intergrates Western. I finally heard an old Chinese Doctor (now practicing in Switzerland) that in the West he gets to practice the real Traditional Medicine because he doesn't have access to his Western tools. It was quite an admission. > , " " <@o...> > wrote: I am suggesting that my approach is nothing more than what > has occurred in China for the last 2000 years. > > I suspect the next innovation of CM will be the integration of > Western ideas. > > Jim Ramholzl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 The next innovation of CM is the integration of WM. For example, in our system of Korean pulse diagnosis, we look at the activity of the pulses using terms from WM. Using smaller sectors and combining details from different positions, we can examine organs (thyroid, adrenals, brain, pancreas, etc.) and their functions as distinct objects and patterns. We're always talking about the function of the endocrine system and the nervous system, etc.; not often in temrs of vacuity and repletion, etc. But we always use WM in the context of pulse diagnosis. Katpchuk is in error. I suspect what will happened at the cultural level will largely be determined by political and intellectual forces. But theoretically and clinically, it's already happening. CM holds the key to organization---especially in 5-Phases. Jim Ramholz , wrote: > The next innovation of Western Medicine will be the integration of > . There's the great section of The Web where Kaptchuk posits that Western Medicine bding innovative can embrace CM whereas CM will not be CM if it intergrates Western. > I finally heard an old Chinese Doctor (now practicing in Switzerland) that in the West he gets to practice the real Traditional Medicine because he doesn't have access to his Western tools. > It was quite an admission. > > > > , " " <@o...> > > wrote: I am suggesting that my approach is nothing more than what > > has occurred in China for the last 2000 years. > > > > I suspect the next innovation of CM will be the integration of > > Western ideas. > > > > Jim Ramholzl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 wrote: > I finally heard an old Chinese Doctor (now practicing in Switzerland) > that in the West he gets to practice the real Traditional Medicine > because he doesn't have access to his Western tools. > It was quite an admission. That's our task, promoting traditional methods as a strength, not a weakness. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 , " jramholz " <jramholz> wrote: Katpchuk is in error. : Imagine that. I would wonder if he still hold this point of view as his last 15 years have largely been spent working on evaluating CM from a WM perspective. Doug said: I finally heard an old Chinese Doctor (now practicing in > Switzerland) that in the West he gets to practice the real > Traditional Medicine because he doesn't have access to his Western > tools. > > It was quite an admission. I am curious if he found this liberating or frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 > > [] > Friday, January 04, 2002 6:52 AM > > Re: Digest Number 844 > > The next innovation of Western Medicine will be the integration of > . There's the great section of The Web where Kaptchuk > posits that Western Medicine bding innovative can embrace CM whereas CM > will not be CM if it intergrates Western. As much as I would like to believe this, WM integration of CM is no where near as far along as what the Chinese are already doing with there integration of Western M into CM. AS right or wrong as one might believe this is, IT is definitely the reality in China (from my limited understanding). Here in the West there is little attempt to integrate the CM ideas. This is not saying some MD's and medical schools don't acknowledge and use acupuncture (etc, they are not, though, integrating the ideas into their theory. (for better or worse). I don't see WM doing this for along time, if at all. Currently they just allow 'us' to practice along side them. -JAson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 I would like to further add... Wouldn't it be best for us to integrate WM into CM instead of allowing WM to integrate what they want from CM. This seems like a no brainer... -Jason > > [] > Friday, January 04, 2002 2:10 PM > > RE: Digest Number 844 > > > > > > > [] > > Friday, January 04, 2002 6:52 AM > > > > Re: Digest Number 844 > > > > The next innovation of Western Medicine will be the integration of > > . There's the great section of The Web where Kaptchuk > > posits that Western Medicine bding innovative can embrace CM whereas > CM > > will not be CM if it intergrates Western. > > > > As much as I would like to believe this, WM integration of CM is no > where near as far along as what the Chinese are already doing with there > integration of Western M into CM. AS right or wrong as one might believe > this is, IT is definitely the reality in China (from my limited > understanding). Here in the West there is little attempt to integrate > the CM ideas. This is not saying some MD's and medical schools don't > acknowledge and use acupuncture (etc, they are not, though, integrating > the ideas into their theory. (for better or worse). I don't see WM > doing this for along time, if at all. Currently they just allow 'us' to > practice along side them. > > > -JAson > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Integration can happen in two ways. It can be done intellectually and clinically by someone knowing both WM and CM in depth. They could publish one or a number of tracts proposing how it can be done. My teacher was capable of this but only writes infrequently. The second way is not intellectual, but political and financial---as has been going on with "medical" acupuncture---simply, the dominant group incorporates it into their scope of practice. In the past, I said that we should distinguish ourselves from medical acupuncture by calling what we do "real" acupuncture. Jim Ramholz - Friday, January 04, 2002 3:30 PM RE: Digest Number 844 I would like to further add...Wouldn't it be best for us to integrate WM into CM instead of allowingWM to integrate what they want from CM. This seems like a no brainer...-Jason> > []> Friday, January 04, 2002 2:10 PM> > RE: Digest Number 844> > > > > > > []> > Friday, January 04, 2002 6:52 AM> > > > Re: Digest Number 844> >> > The next innovation of Western Medicine will be the integration of> > . There's the great section of The Web whereKaptchuk> > posits that Western Medicine bding innovative can embrace CM whereas> CM> > will not be CM if it intergrates Western.> > > > As much as I would like to believe this, WM integration of CM is no> where near as far along as what the Chinese are already doing withthere> integration of Western M into CM. AS right or wrong as one mightbelieve> this is, IT is definitely the reality in China (from my limited> understanding). Here in the West there is little attempt to integrate> the CM ideas. This is not saying some MD's and medical schools don't> acknowledge and use acupuncture (etc, they are not, though,integrating> the ideas into their theory. (for better or worse). I don't see WM> doing this for along time, if at all. Currently they just allow 'us'to> practice along side them.> > > -JAson> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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