research and pattern dx, # patterns treated

[Guest guest]

As we know, in TCM, one thing leads to another, which leads to

another, which in turn weakens yet another system. My question is how

many patterns can be effectively treated herbally in addition to the

formula choosen in response to the differential diagnosis of the main

complaint.(The center, as Alon calls it) For instance, if in

addressing the situation below, suggested by Fernando, we used Si Sun

Ji Tang (just to make it easy), how many other patterns could we

address before the original efficacy of Si Sun Ji Tang was overcome

and muddled. I'm sure this is a matter of taste and preference, but in

a raw formula or powder, how many herbs do you all typically add to

treat the branches? 2 or 3 for each branch? And would the maximum be 2

or 3 branches at a time? In 42 grams of powder,typically a weeks

worth, that seems to me to greatly reduce the strength of the original

formala...

 

Or would you then perfer to give a patent in addition to the raw herb

or powder formula to treat one of the branches?

 

I think this question probably reflects on my wonderment at how the

body interpets the signals we give it via TCM. How many variable, and

in some cases, conflicting* messages is it capable of digesting

(literally) at one time

 

For example, a yin deficient woman with damp heat in the lower burner?

 

 

 

Fernando said

 

> What if the spleen xu which led damp/heat caused reckeless blood?

> Would you still use a warming supplementing spleen rx with low

dosage

> of herbs to address the d/h and reckless blood? At what point do

you

> choose to aggressively address the branches over the root?

>

[Guest guest]

In 42 grams of powder,typically a weeks worth, that seems to me to greatly reduce the strength of the original formala...>>>>>First this is a low dose for a week. If someone is truly ill I often think 100g per week would be appropriate, except for very weak and sensitive patients in which I was told to use low dose formulas.

 

The way I have learned it beside addressing the patients main diagnosis (and this does not mean to root cause) no more than 3 additional principles should be added. Now remember that almost 100% of formulas already contain herbs from several categories, although I have always learned to look at them a unit and not as working independently. But on this, personally i think Todd is correct and that even if they do work as a unit they still retain their individual properties.

Alon

 

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gabriellemathieu

Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM

Re: research and pattern dx, # patterns treated

As we know, in TCM, one thing leads to another, which leads to another, which in turn weakens yet another system. My question is how many patterns can be effectively treated herbally in addition to the formula choosen in response to the differential diagnosis of the main complaint.(The center, as Alon calls it) For instance, if in addressing the situation below, suggested by Fernando, we used Si Sun Ji Tang (just to make it easy), how many other patterns could we address before the original efficacy of Si Sun Ji Tang was overcome and muddled. I'm sure this is a matter of taste and preference, but in a raw formula or powder, how many herbs do you all typically add to treat the branches? 2 or 3 for each branch? And would the maximum be 2 or 3 branches at a time? In 42 grams of powder,typically a weeks worth, that seems to me to greatly reduce the strength of the original formala...Or would you then perfer to give a patent in addition to the raw herb or powder formula to treat one of the branches?I think this question probably reflects on my wonderment at how the body interpets the signals we give it via TCM. How many variable, and in some cases, conflicting* messages is it capable of digesting (literally) at one timeFor example, a yin deficient woman with damp heat in the lower burner?Fernando said > What if the spleen xu which led damp/heat caused reckeless blood? > Would you still use a warming supplementing spleen rx with low dosage > of herbs to address the d/h and reckless blood? At what point do you > choose to aggressively address the branches over the root?> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

42 grams seems low to me as well. That's what all my clinic

instructors want me to use.

Thanks for the information

 

 

, " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> In 42 grams of powder,typically a weeks

> worth, that seems to me to greatly reduce the strength of the

original

> formala...

>

> >>>>>First this is a low dose for a week. If someone is truly ill I

often think 100g per week would be appropriate, except for very weak

and sensitive patients in which I was told to use low dose formulas.

>