Digest Number 884

February 5, 2002

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>Rory: > >I thought the NCCAOM acupuncture exam also set a low standard, too--- >but I took it back in 1985 when it first started. I've used exam >study books for class test questions over the years and often felt

Jim :What is the value of the herb exam if it sets a low standard and

>herbology is already part of everyone's scope of practice; and

>therefore unnecessary?

Kelly : I just took the herb boards in November and there were 6 of us. That is pathetic. The test may be setting a low standard but the standard and study that the exam requires is greater than most practitioners are requiring of themselves who prescribe under their acu-license. Most are, frankly, afraid of failing not thinking it is unnecessary.

> > would cost about $2000 per exam per examinee; I've also heard from > > several people who have taken NCCAOM herbal exam that it sets a >very > > low standard. We don't need to lower standards. > > > > Rory > > -- > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 7 > Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:42:29 -0000 > "jramholz"

>Follow the money > >Alon: > >I agree with you. Follow the money. The herb companies will >immeasurably and directly benefit financially from this type of >research. They should LEAD this initiative; it is part of their cost >of doing business. For practitioners to want to finance the >research, it is more about their own social standing and >justification for being able to practice on par with other >professions. It is not a bad thing to want that, but doing someone >else's job to achieve it is the wrong way. > >I suspect the herb companies already have a cartel or assications >set up for themselves. Perhaps the least they could do is set up a >free clearing house or database on the internet for the research >already done. It would prime the well and set an important >precedent. Schools, associations, and practitioners could use it for >classes and to demonstrate their efficacy to news organizations and >the general public. > >Jim Ramholz > > >, "ALON MARCUS"

> > >>>Some of them have tones of money, especially the ones that also >do west nutrition and chinese, Douglas etc. they should do a lot more > > Alon > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 8 > Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:06:34 -0800 > ""

>Re: Re: steroid withdrawal > >I was thinking more of the Chinese herb companies. > >Z'ev >On Monday, February 4, 2002, at 09:29 AM, ALON MARCUS wrote: > > > While the major herb companies may have more bucks than they used to, > > it is a pittance for R & D compared to the pharmaceutical companies. But > > you are right, they should contribute to research projects. > > >>>Some of them have tones of money, especially the ones that also do > > west nutrition and chinese, Douglas etc. they should do a lot more > > Alon > > > > - > > > > > > Monday, February 04, 2002 7:50 AM > > Re: Re: steroid withdrawal > > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 9 > Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:51:02 -0000 > "1"

>Re: steroid withdrawal > >, "" wrote: > > While the major herb companies may have more bucks than they used to, it > > is a pittance for R & D compared to the pharmaceutical companies. > >and the companies with real big money are not chinese herb companies. >thus most research does not respect TCM principles. > >Todd > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 10 > Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:04:40 -0000 > "1"

>Re: doctorate gossip > >, Rory Kerr wrote: > > At 11:15 PM +0000 2/3/02, 1 wrote: > > >you should write them a rebuttal. I wonder if they will > > >print it. > > -- > > > > I don't receive their newsletter. Does it have contact information. > > > > Rory > >try their website at www.nccaom.org > >Todd > > -- > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 11 > Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:01:01 -0800 > ""

>RE: organs > >Alon, > > Do you not believe that certain modern drugs target certain >(western) organs, more so than others (organs).? But yes I have to also >wonder about the extremities thing, but I can't recall too many Chinese >herbs that really differentiate between arms and legs. Mostly though, >what I am referring to is the idea that herbs are said to target certain >organs/ areas: chest/lung, uterus (bao gong), liver. Etc.. This makes >sense form a CM perspective, and from a biomedical perspective I see how >substances target (or should O say highly influence) i.e. p450 system >(i.e. Liver). ?? am I missing something? > > > >-Jason > > > > > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 12 > Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:33:13 -0800 > "zach corbett"

>Brief description of who I am > > > >I graduated from Santa Barbara College of Oriental Medicine in August '01, >passed the Nationals in November and am currently waiting for the results of >the Cal state liscensure exam that I sat at the end of Jan. > >_______________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 13 > Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:11:21 EST > WMorris116 >Re: Re: steroid withdrawal > >Alon - > >OHAI Press published some of these. > >Will > >In a message dated 2/3/02 9:58:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, >alonmarcus writes: > > > > I have always wanted to see studies on chemical changes done when a formula > > is cooked comparred to the ingridients within it. That should be very easy > > to do. As anybody done this? Do we have anybody with excess to equipment on > > this list who can do it? > > > > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 14 > Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:34:24 EST > acuman1 >Re: Re: Conceptualizing the Atkins Diet > >Stephen; >Are you perchance coming to Rutgers for the next tox book meeting? >DAVE > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 15 > Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:29:37 -0800 > "David Frierman"

>guizhi and harmonizing ying and wei > > > >[This message is not in displayable format] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > > > >