research studies

February 5, 2002

Stephen and Jim:

Emperor's College did some outcome trials with Los Angeles Free Clinic using acupuncture and herbs. It will hopefully be published in a peer reviewed biomedical journal. Our next project with them will probably focus on diabetes.

Will

I have not heard of anyone that is doing academically oriented TCM herbal

research in the US. Certainly it is going on in China to some degree.

However a lot of the herb research in China seems to be geared toward

satisfying the requirements of applying to the SDA for product licenses. I

have not followed the NIH grants that have been awarded for studies of TCM

but that may be a place to look. All of the research that I am personally

doing is product specific rather than purely academic. However, I do feel

that if TCM practitoners wanted to work collectively to research a specific

question, that with a good proposal, funding could be obtained. Identifying

and agreeing on the clinical end point to evaluate, how it should be

assessed, developing the feedback forms, collecting and analyzing the data,

and interpreting the results would be interesting and edifying task.

Perhaps even a bit humbling. Usually such a study would not necessarily

answer all the questions intended but would more than likely identify

additional relevant issues and new ways to assess them in a next study. If

this were a collective effort it would still require someone to lead and

facilitate. I would personally support someone in such an effort with some

time and a few dollars. But with enough people in the TCM community

supporting this effort, outside funding should be easier to secure.

February 5, 2002

In a message dated 2/5/02 6:13:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, alonmarcus writes:

Do you know how were the patients evaluated, categorized and followed? This was a pain study correct?

I don't have those details. Our supervisor with a PT background conducted evaluations. The most surprising components related to quality of life issues and satisfaction of the referring physician. I'll make it available once it is available.

Will

February 5, 2002

This usergroup discussion of research is a good example of why so little of it actually happens. Everyone thinks someone else should design it, pay for it, implement it, analyze it, write it up, and submit it for publication, but everybody wants to benefit from it and will have an opinion on how it could have been done better. Research that companies fund and implement is typically not what has been proposed on this list, which seeks answers to more academically oriented questions that incorporate an analysis of the value of TCM based differential diagnosis as well as the outcome of consequent therapeutic choices. If you want companies, schools, individuals, or trade organizations to fund such projects then you need to establish a valid rationale for the study, outline a study design, budget, and implementation strategy. Then getting the funds from all those deep pockets becomes more feasible.

Stephen Morrissey

Follow the money. The herb companies will immeasurably and directly benefit financially from this type of

research. They should LEAD this initiative; it is part of their cost of doing business.

I was thinking more of the Chinese herb companies >>>Zev I think they (should) pull together and create research pools of something like thatAlon... good idea.

February 5, 2002

, " stephen " <stephen@b...> wrote:

If you want companies, schools,individuals, or trade organizations

to fund such projects then you need to establish a valid rationale

for the study, outline a study design, budget,and implementation

strategy. Then getting the funds from all those deep pockets

becomes more feasible.>>

Stephen:

Do you know who is doing that now, and what their studies are?

Jim Ramholz

February 5, 2002

Emperor's College did some outcome trials with Los Angeles Free Clinic using acupuncture and herbs.

>>>>Will

Do you know how were the patients evaluated, categorized and followed? This was a pain study correct?

Alon

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WMorris116

Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:46 PM

Re: Re: research studies

Stephen and Jim: Emperor's College did some outcome trials with Los Angeles Free Clinic using acupuncture and herbs. It will hopefully be published in a peer reviewed biomedical journal. Our next project with them will probably focus on diabetes. Will

I have not heard of anyone that is doing academically oriented TCM herbal research in the US. Certainly it is going on in China to some degree. However a lot of the herb research in China seems to be geared toward satisfying the requirements of applying to the SDA for product licenses. I have not followed the NIH grants that have been awarded for studies of TCM but that may be a place to look. All of the research that I am personally doing is product specific rather than purely academic. However, I do feel that if TCM practitoners wanted to work collectively to research a specific question, that with a good proposal, funding could be obtained. Identifying and agreeing on the clinical end point to evaluate, how it should be assessed, developing the feedback forms, collecting and analyzing the data, and interpreting the results would be interesting and edifying task. Perhaps even a bit humbling. Usually such a study would not necessarily answer all the questions intended but would more than likely identify additional relevant issues and new ways to assess them in a next study. If this were a collective effort it would still require someone to lead and facilitate. I would personally support someone in such an effort with some time and a few dollars. But with enough people in the TCM community supporting this effort, outside funding should be easier to secure. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

February 5, 2002

Jim,