phlegm formation

[Guest guest]

Is phlegm formation due to failure of spleen T & T always involve the

accumulation of dampness as an intermediary pathogen or can phlegm form

directly as a result of splenic failure without dampness being involved?

Also, is it correct to say that damp accumulation occurs in the lungs.

I know dampheat can lodge in the upper burner due to external invasion,

but does internal damp lodge in the lungs, per se? this pattern is

not listed in Wiseman, though I have seen passing reference elsewhere,

I believe.

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FAX:

 

[Guest guest]

 

As phlegm for example can arise from Qi stagnation failing to move fluids I think you are looking at phlegm from a limited view. Also, when heat of external origin combines with internal dampness for example it can lodge in lungs, skin etc, were did you here that it can not lodge in upper warmer? What are supporative lesions at the upper body from external origin are then?

Alon

[Guest guest]

If mucus is considered as one type of dampness in CM then, yes, it

may accumulate in the lungs. Mucus is continuously produced by the

mucus membranes of the lungs to protect them. The lungs are supported

by the connection to the kidneys which mists the lungs (water for

mucus production); and by the spleen, indirectly, because the earth

phase is associated with the immune function and mucus-producing

tissue (it is earth within metal). Serous fluids can also build up

and cause lung edema.

 

Phlegm doesn't require prior replete dampness, but even natural

levels of dampness (mucus) is a pre-existing condition and can be a

breeding ground for infections. This condition is often found in the

sinuses, an extension of the lungs, when normal production

accumulates due to lack of yang, lymph, or blood circulation in the

face and neck. The spleen and the lung are the foundation for the

immune system, being the sites for lymphocytes and wei qi production.

Spleen may " fail " in the sense that it doesn't respond quickly or

strongly enough to a pathogen.

 

Phlegm is thick mucus that is secreted by mucus membranes and glands,

consisting of mucin, leukocytes, inorganic salts, water, and

epithelial cells. CM would say heat---environmental or inflammation---

can turn mucus into phlegm. Phlegm in the lungs, for example, is

formed as part of the inflammatory response in asthma and infections.

Pulses in the right distal zang during asthma are usually

characterized as wiry (showing the degree of bronchial spasm) mixed

with flooding, smooth or choppy (showing the degree of

heat/inflammation and mucus production).

 

 

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

, wrote:

> Is phlegm formation due to failure of spleen T & T always involve the

> accumulation of dampness as an intermediary pathogen or can phlegm

form directly as a result of splenic failure without dampness being

involved? Also, is it correct to say that damp accumulation occurs

in the lungs. I know damp heat can lodge in the upper burner due to

external invasion, but does internal damp lodge in the lungs, per se?

this pattern is not listed in Wiseman, though I have seen passing

reference elsewhere, I believe.

>

> --

> Chinese Herbs

>

> FAX:

[Guest guest]

, " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

>

> As phlegm for example can arise from Qi stagnation failing to move fluids I

think you are looking at phlegm from a limited view.

 

Alon

 

I was not sharing my opinion on phlegm. I was asking a question that

was raised by several of my students based upon what another professor

had taught them.