Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Someone told me that miki shima advises women not to eat soyfoods if they have endometriosis or fibroids. Has anyone heard this prohibition? Why does it make sense? there is an irrational fear that phytoestrogens increase estrogenic effects in the body, while all the evidence seems to show that phytoestrogens decrease estrogenic effects. Chinese Herbs voice: fax: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 According to a friend/patient of mine, Miki advises against soyfoods also for low testosterone patients, saying it suppresses testosterone production, and omega 3 or 9 oils (including olive oils) which also suppress, although 6 stimulates testosterone. I'll have to ask Miki about this myself next time I see him. Personally, I've never bought the idea (or seen supportive research) that phytoestrogens could have such a direct effect, unless perhaps taken in unusually high dosages. I agree with you here, Todd. Z'ev Rosennberg On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 12:24 PM, wrote: > Someone told me that miki shima advises women not to eat soyfoods if > they have endometriosis or fibroids. Has anyone heard this > prohibition? Why does it make sense? there is an irrational fear that > phytoestrogens increase estrogenic effects in the body, while all the > evidence seems to show that phytoestrogens decrease estrogenic effects. > > > Chinese Herbs > voice: > fax: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 http://www.t-mag.com/articles/185soy.html Z'ev: This is a link to Testosterone Magazine (what greater authority can there be?) for an article on soy and testosterone which covers that issue. Jim Ramholz , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > According to a friend/patient of mine, Miki advises against soyfoods also for low testosterone patients, saying it suppresses testosterone production, and omega 3 or 9 oils (including olive oils) which also suppress, although 6 stimulates testosterone. > > I'll have to ask Miki about this myself next time I see him. > > Personally, I've never bought the idea (or seen supportive research) that phytoestrogens could have such a direct effect, unless perhaps taken in unusually high dosages. I agree with you here, Todd. > > Z'ev Rosennberg > On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 12:24 PM, wrote: > > > Someone told me that miki shima advises women not to eat soyfoods if > > they have endometriosis or fibroids. Has anyone heard this > > prohibition? Why does it make sense? there is an irrational fear that > > phytoestrogens increase estrogenic effects in the body, while all the > > evidence seems to show that phytoestrogens decrease estrogenic effects. > > > > > > Chinese Herbs > > voice: > > fax: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 Thanks, Jim. I read the article, found it interesting, but. . . It doesn't indicate issues of preparation/cooking, dosage, body weight, constitution, etc. I think if one eats soy products as is done in the proportions in Japan or China, that these problems shouldn't arise. On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 05:52 PM, jramholz wrote: > http://www.t-mag.com/articles/185soy.html > > Z'ev: > > This is a link to Testosterone Magazine (what greater authority can > there be?) for an article on soy and testosterone which covers that > issue. > > Jim Ramholz > > > > > > , " " <zrosenbe@s...> > wrote: > > According to a friend/patient of mine, Miki advises against > soyfoods also for low testosterone patients, saying it suppresses > testosterone production, and omega 3 or 9 oils (including olive > oils) which also suppress, although 6 stimulates testosterone. > > > > I'll have to ask Miki about this myself next time I see him. > > > > Personally, I've never bought the idea (or seen supportive > research) that phytoestrogens could have such a direct effect, > unless perhaps taken in unusually high dosages. I agree with you > here, Todd. > > > > Z'ev Rosennberg > > On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 12:24 PM, wrote: > > > > > Someone told me that miki shima advises women not to eat > soyfoods if > > > they have endometriosis or fibroids. Has anyone heard this > > > prohibition? Why does it make sense? there is an irrational > fear that > > > phytoestrogens increase estrogenic effects in the body, while > all the > > > evidence seems to show that phytoestrogens decrease estrogenic > effects. > > > > > > > > > Chinese Herbs > > > voice: > > > fax: > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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