Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Bob, > I don't know of any specific Chinese articles that discuss this point. > Although this is a common phrase in Chinese case histories, I have not > been able to find any paragraph or other discussion on this specific > topic in any books or articles. However, once one realizes that all > desires are nothing but a movement of qi towards or away from the > object of desire, it's only CM logic to work out the rest. The > teachings on unfulfilled desires in Blue Poppy Institute and Blue > Poppy Press materials is my teaching if you will, and anyone repeating > it should source me. Can you clarify precisely what it is that you claim to be the source of with respect to this old phrase? I'm not familiar with your teachings on the subject, but do talk about the phenomena and related dynamics frequently when I teach and lecture. I'm getting ready to leave for an extended stint of lectures and workshops and probably won't have time to round up earlier references that discuss the phenomena related to unfulfilled desires. The literature on the subject traces all the way back to the Dao De Jing. So I'm motivated to ask for a clarification on this from you for two reasons. One is that I would like to know clearly if there is some proprietary knowledge on the subject of which you are rightfully the source so that I can, indeed, cite my sources accurately. But it's not clear from your post what you have in mind, as you stated that it was all based on " CM logic " . The other is just another expression of that healthy skepticism that we agree is so important for our field. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Ken, I teach a lecture on the eight mechanisms of liver depression in which zhi yuan bu sui is the first of these eight causes and mechanisms. Specifically, it is my description of the the movement of qi vis a vis positive and negative desires that I was/am claiming authorship of. I have never come across a similar presentation in any other class or written materials on liver depression. This lecture is a part of a number of Blue Poppy Institute Distance Learning programs, including " The Treatment of Mental-emotional Conditions with . " Bon voyage. Bob , " dragon90405 " <yulong@m...> wrote: > Bob, > > > I don't know of any specific Chinese articles that discuss this > point. > > Although this is a common phrase in Chinese case histories, I have > not > > been able to find any paragraph or other discussion on this > specific > > topic in any books or articles. However, once one realizes that all > > desires are nothing but a movement of qi towards or away from the > > object of desire, it's only CM logic to work out the rest. The > > teachings on unfulfilled desires in Blue Poppy Institute and Blue > > Poppy Press materials is my teaching if you will, and anyone > repeating > > it should source me. > > Can you clarify precisely what it is that > you claim to be the source of with respect > to this old phrase? I'm not familiar with your > teachings on the subject, but do talk about > the phenomena and related dynamics frequently > when I teach and lecture. > > I'm getting ready to leave for an extended > stint of lectures and workshops and probably > won't have time to round up earlier references > that discuss the phenomena related to unfulfilled > desires. The literature on the subject traces > all the way back to the Dao De Jing. So I'm > motivated to ask for a clarification on this > from you for two reasons. > > One is that I would like to know clearly if > there is some proprietary knowledge on > the subject of which you are rightfully > the source so that I can, indeed, cite > my sources accurately. But it's not clear > from your post what you have in mind, as > you stated that it was all based on " CM logic " . > > The other is just another expression of > that healthy skepticism that we agree is > so important for our field. > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Bob, > I teach a lecture on the eight mechanisms of liver depression in which > zhi yuan bu sui is the first of these eight causes and mechanisms. > Specifically, it is my description of the the movement of qi vis a vis > positive and negative desires that I was/am claiming authorship of. Is this description something you can summarize in a brief statement? I'm still a little confused as to what you mean by " claiming authorship. " Are you simply referring to having authored various statements that describe the movement of qi vis a vis positive and negative desires? Or are you saying that you have made a novel discovery of a mechanism that employs traditional Chinese medical terms in elucidating some aspect of physiology that was previously unknown? The question the latter raises, if that is indeed what you're saying, is given that there is an old saying that expresses the essence of this mechanism, what exactly is the discovery? I realize that since I haven't attended your lectures on this, I'm at a disadvantage in understanding the specifics involved. But I'm hoping that you can give me at least a brief summary of the gist of the description. > have never come across a similar presentation in any other class or > written materials on liver depression. This lecture is a part of a > number of Blue Poppy Institute Distance Learning programs, including > " The Treatment of Mental-emotional Conditions with Chinese Medicine. " > > Bon voyage. Thanks. I'll try and stay connected while I'm on the road. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 These materials are all " freely available " (although not free). They speak for themself. Make of them what you will. Bob , " dragon90405 " <yulong@m...> wrote: > Bob, > > > I teach a lecture on the eight mechanisms of liver depression in > which > > zhi yuan bu sui is the first of these eight causes and mechanisms. > > Specifically, it is my description of the the movement of qi vis a > vis > > positive and negative desires that I was/am claiming authorship of. > > Is this description something you can summarize > in a brief statement? I'm still a little confused > as to what you mean by " claiming authorship. " > > Are you simply referring to having authored > various statements that describe the movement > of qi vis a vis positive and negative desires? > Or are you saying that you have made a novel > discovery of a mechanism that employs traditional > Chinese medical terms in elucidating some aspect > of physiology that was previously unknown? > > The question the latter raises, if that is > indeed what you're saying, is given that > there is an old saying that expresses the > essence of this mechanism, what exactly is > the discovery? > > I realize that since I haven't attended your > lectures on this, I'm at a disadvantage in > understanding the specifics involved. But > I'm hoping that you can give me at least > a brief summary of the gist of the > description. > > > have never come across a similar presentation in any other class or > > written materials on liver depression. This lecture is a part of a > > number of Blue Poppy Institute Distance Learning programs, > including > > " The Treatment of Mental-emotional Conditions with Chinese > Medicine. " > > > > Bon voyage. > > Thanks. I'll try and stay connected while > I'm on the road. > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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