Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 Since a number of the respondents on this list are professional educators, I would like to suggest that some of us would benefit by becoming aware (or more aware as the case may be) of " complex stage theory, " also referred to as reflective reasoning or reflective judgement theory. I first came across this set of theories seven or eight years ago and have found them very useful as both an educator and as a human being. This is a set of theories within cognitive development and educational sciences which describe seven levels or stages of epistemological growth and complexity in reasoning. These seven levels describe a person's ability to reason through increasingly complex problems with progressively higher degrees of uncertainty. As a respondent to this list, what I sometimes observe in our various discussions are disparaties in levels of reasoning. While this theory, like any theory, has its flaws and limitations, it does provide a useful model of the way people think. It also helps explain why people reasoning at different levels of complexity often cannot understand each other and disagree. Viz. the Middle East vs. the West. To some extent, progression through these seven stages is a matter of chronological age. For instance, people under a certain age seldom if ever evidence seventh level reasoning. However, even with age, there is no guarantee that any given person will develop the highest level of complex reasoning. In other words, development along this scale may be arrested at any stage. For those of us who have never encountered this useful set of educational theories before (developed most notably by Piaget; Kohlberg; Perry; Broughton; Harvey, Hunt & Schroeder; Loevigner; and Reigeluth)in: Stage 1, knowledge is assumed to exist absolutely and concretely. It is not understood as an abstraction. Beliefs need no justification since there is assumed to be an absolute correspondence between that which is believed to be true and that which is true, and there is no room for alternate beliefs. This stage is characterized by " I know what I have seen " belief. Stage 2, knowledge is still assumed to be absolutely certain. Beliefs are unexamined and unjustified or justified by belief in an external authority. Most issues are assumed to have a right answer. " If it's on the news, it has to be true. " " If it's in the Bible, it has to be true. " " If it's in the Koran, it has to be true. " Stage 3, knowledge is assumed to be either absolutely certain or only temporarily uncertain. In areas of temporary uncertainty, only personal beliefs can be known until absolute knowledge is obtained. In areas of absolute certainty, knowledge is obtained from authorities. " When there is convincing proof, then we will know the truth. Till then, it's just an opinion. " Stage 4, knowledge is inherently uncertain and claims of knowledge are individually idiosyncratic. Situational variables (e.g., incorrect reporting of data, lost data, disparities in access to information) suggests that knowing always involves an element of ambiguity. " I'd be more inclined to believe evolution if they had proof. It's just like the pyramids. I don't think we'll ever know. Who are you going to ask? No one alive today was there. " Stage 5, knowledge is contextual and subjective since it is always filtered through an individual person's perception and criteria for judgement. Only interpretations of evidence, events, or issues can be known. " People think differently, and so they attack the probelm differently. Other theories could be as true as mine, but based on different evidence. " Stage 6, knowledge is constructed into indivdual conclusions about ill-structured problems on the basis of information from a variety of sources. Beliefs are justified by comparing evidence and opinion from a variety of perspectives on an issue or across different contexts, and solutions to problems are evaluated by such criteria as the weight of evidence, the utility of a solution, or the pragmatic need for action. " It's very difficult to be sure in this life. There are degrees of certainty. You come to a point where you are sure enough to take a personal stance on an issue, but nothing more than that. " Stage 7, knowledge is the outcome of a process of reasonable inquiry in which solutions to ill-structured problems are constructed. The adequacy of those solutions is evaluated in terms of what is most reasonable or probable according to the current evidence, and it is reevaluated when relevant new evidence, perspectives, or tools of inquiry become available. Beliefs are justified probabilistically on the basis of a variety of interpretive considerations (e.g., the weight of evidence, the explanatory value of interpretations, the risk of erroneous conclusions, the consequences of alternative judgements, andf the interrelationships of these factors). " One can judge an argument by how well thought out the positions are, what kinds of reasoning and evidence are used to support it, and how consistent the way one argues on this topic is compared to other topics. " These descriptions of the seven stages of the development of complex reasoning are based on King & Kitchner's Developing Reflective Judgement, Jossey-Bass, Inc. 1994. In American colleges today, this set of theories is pragmatically applied in classes commonly labeled " Critical Thinking " which seek to develop more and more complex reasoning skills. According to the famous American philosopher and educator John Dewey, reflective judgement is the end goal of good thinking. Patricia M. King, another leader in complex stage theory and educational practices based on these theories, says: " Teaching students to think clearly and complexly, to present their arguments coherently and persuasively, and to weigh competing claims is a complex and difficult process. Learning to think reflectively... involves some fundamental changes in students' basic assumptions about knowledge itself and the process of learning.. " I hope other respondents to this list find some of the above as useful as a teacher and as a communicator as I have. Bob , WMorris116@A... wrote: > Bob - I appreciate your ambivalent discourse. However, I think that > functionality is going to win in my court because of the litmus test of > clinical use. Remaining close to what the Chinese say is important for > historical context and deeper insight - I share your ambivalence on this. > > Will > > > > That being said, functionally, I think > > you are correct. I think we are talking about tropism for particular > > viscera and bowels, not channels per se. However, this is not what the > > Chinese say, and I think it is important to stay as close to what the > > Chinese say as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 Bob, Thanks for posting this. Great stuff. On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 01:07 PM, pemachophel2001 wrote: > Since a number of the respondents on this list are > professional educators, I would like to suggest that some of us would > benefit by becoming aware (or more aware as the case may be) of > " complex stage theory, " also referred to as reflective reasoning or > reflective judgement theory. I first came across this set of theories > seven or eight years ago and have found them very useful as both an > educator and as a human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Bob, are , " pemachophel2001 " <pemachophel2001> wrote: > Since a number of the respondents on this list are > professional educators, I would like to suggest that some of us would > benefit by becoming aware (or more aware as the case may be) of > " complex stage theory, " also referred to as reflective reasoning or > reflective judgement theory. I first came across this set of theories > seven or eight years ago and have found them very useful as both an > educator and as a human being. This is a set of theories within > cognitive development and educational sciences which describe seven > levels or stages of epistemological growth and complexity in > reasoning. These seven levels describe a person's ability to reason > through increasingly complex problems with progressively higher > degrees of uncertainty. As a respondent to this list, what I sometimes > observe in our various discussions are disparaties in levels of > reasoning. [...] I find this post fascinating, particularly in light of our earlier discussion about the role of philosophy in the development of clinical understanding and skill. It seems a possibly productive paradox to explore that on the one hand you argue vehemently against the importance of studying the philosophical epistemologies that underlie traditional Chinese medical theories and on the other you advance a set of complex stage theories to provide a better basis for communication between the members of this list. If you and I can benefit from a clearer understanding of the ways in which we deal with knowledge, uncertainties, and the search for understanding, does it not stand to reason...to the very same reason in fact...that a doctor and a patient can and should experience the same benefit from a shared understanding of the ways in which clinical complexities present and, hopefully, reveal themselves during the course of any medical intervention? It seems to me that the only argument against the study of the philosphical material comes down a matter of time, i.e., that there just isn't enough time. But the time will pass regardless of how it's spent, and time that is well spent...for instance the time I spent reading your post...can actually help make future time spent more effective. And it seems to me that what we want is to lenghten the time spent in study and practice rather than shorten it. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Ken, I'm sorry, but my impression is that you and I really don't seem to communicate very well. Your categorization of my previous postings is not at all accurate from my point of view. However, to be honest and frank, I really don't have any interest or, more importantly, the time to go through this line by line with you. Bob , " dragon90405 " <yulong@m...> wrote: > Bob, > > are , " pemachophel2001 " > <pemachophel2001> wrote: > > Since a number of the respondents on this list are > > professional educators, I would like to suggest that some of us > would > > benefit by becoming aware (or more aware as the case may be) of > > " complex stage theory, " also referred to as reflective reasoning or > > reflective judgement theory. I first came across this set of > theories > > seven or eight years ago and have found them very useful as both an > > educator and as a human being. This is a set of theories within > > cognitive development and educational sciences which describe seven > > levels or stages of epistemological growth and complexity in > > reasoning. These seven levels describe a person's ability to reason > > through increasingly complex problems with progressively higher > > degrees of uncertainty. As a respondent to this list, what I > sometimes > > observe in our various discussions are disparaties in levels of > > reasoning. [...] > > I find this post fascinating, particularly in > light of our earlier discussion about the role > of philosophy in the development of clinical > understanding and skill. It seems a possibly > productive paradox to explore that on the one > hand you argue vehemently against the importance > of studying the philosophical epistemologies > that underlie traditional Chinese medical > theories and on the other you advance a set > of complex stage theories to provide a better > basis for communication between the members > of this list. > > If you and I can benefit from a clearer > understanding of the ways in which we > deal with knowledge, uncertainties, and > the search for understanding, does it > not stand to reason...to the very same > reason in fact...that a doctor and a > patient can and should experience the > same benefit from a shared understanding > of the ways in which clinical complexities > present and, hopefully, reveal themselves > during the course of any medical intervention? > > It seems to me that the only argument > against the study of the philosphical > material comes down a matter of time, > i.e., that there just isn't enough > time. But the time will pass regardless > of how it's spent, and time that is > well spent...for instance the time I > spent reading your post...can actually > help make future time spent more effective. > > And it seems to me that what we want is > to lenghten the time spent in study and > practice rather than shorten it. > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Bob, > I'm sorry, but my impression is that you and I really don't seem to > communicate very well. Your categorization of my previous postings is > not at all accurate from my point of view. However, to be honest and > frank, I really don't have any interest or, more importantly, the time > to go through this line by line with you. Understood. I'm not sure I agree that we don't communicate well. I think we have a disagreement. I believe I understood what you've posted earlier, and I likewise believe that you've understood what I've posted. In other words, we've communicated rather successfully. Perhaps I have misstated some earlier point of yours, but again, in my mind, the key thing about such dialog is that it continue not that it end. I highly suspect that neither of us has delved to the depths of the matter, but perhaps our discussion has served to provoke the interest of others who can take things further. I only mention this because I believe that our field will benefit from an increased level of debate about, well, everything. As you pointed out not long ago, a high degree of skepticism is warranted when dealing with the subject, from almost any point of view. I certainly value your skepticism about things that I say. That said, I have no problem with you declining to debate the matter further. It's a conflict of ideas that I welcome. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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