Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 People have speculated that Yuen doesn't write because he doesn't want to get nailed on his sources. He says that he doesn't want to create a new " cookbook " esoteria. There may be something about his channeling in their as well. Certainly there enough notes and transcripts for a volume now. I think Yuen would encourage " rampant speculation " . That in a way is the point of his work. I don't know if Xiang Fu resolves Hun issues or not. In many ways it (this discussion) brings up issues of my own and TCM and its place in the treatment process. If in our modern practice and the patient was the victim of abuse years ago, why not give a " trauma treatment " acupuncture protocol? (From Yuen). If we can get into our medicine enough to identify Hun issues then why not try Xiang Fu.? This is the thouroughly modern part of me that cooks up Hu Huan Pi when I'm down and hopes for a way out of the modern world mess. Wellllll then, i also have the buddhist part which says there is no Hope. I think there a lot of (esoteric) practices that can string a patient along with solutions and feeding our modern world obsessions with what we see as " happiness " .(I'll get back to this). As a business stradegy its a perfect " co-dependency " relationship. The esoteric practioner has the solution the patient needs them (with need in bold face). So this continual feeding the patient " solutions " stops the patient to see the happiness quotion as the act of looking at all the good and bad equally. (A lot of my thoughts come out of my work in drug acupuncture clinics where co-dependency is a big issue. And the 12 steps edict that " its all an inside job " . ) This is not to say that I don't believe in Xiang Fu. I think we can and should " go there " when appropriate and when both patient and practitioner are comfortable with it. I really like what Yuen says about our role as making the patient comfortable in their illness. It is this and not the cure that counts. And yes, I find Yuen's acupuncture really effective. With regard to xiang fu's effects on past and future, there is no way I am going to elicit confirmation of this effect without a very leading question. If a patient spontaneously reports to me that they resolved a past issue while taking xiang fu, that would be interesting if it happened constantly. If I suggest to the patient that this is likely and then it happens, I am a lot more skeptical. So I just don't know how to make use of this information without rampant speculation on my part. I do use xiang fu quite a bit, so I will pay attention to what the patient reports about their life with this idea in mind to see if I detect any patterns. Idiosyncratic ideas may have value and if we can test them without harming the patient, it seems a worthy undertaking. I wouldn't prescribe xiang fu for this purpose, but if I happen to be giving it anyway... Doug, have you found this idea to be valid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 there are a lot of missing details in that book- you cant simply apply the information- there is a lot of background stuff- for example jacobs states on P 308 that divergent meridian treatment " needs to be three times a week " ; this is incorrect, actually you treat three days in a row, then three off, then three on, for 18 days to constitute one treatment period for divergent meridians- Jeffrey comes from an oral tradition and will never be writing books... --- wrote: > Although he teaches alot and there are lots of tapes > and notes he hasn't published > anything formally. The best I've found is Jeffrey H. > Jacob's The acupuncturist's clinical > Handbook ISBN 0-9753742-0-6 published by > Integrative Wellness Inc. > Jacob was a student of Yuen's for many years. > doug > > > > > > , " Heiko > Lade " <heikolade.acnm@x> wrote: > > Hi David > > " Jeffrey Yuen, 88th generation lineage holder of > the > > Jade Purity school of Daoism. " > > > > Thanks for that. > > Are there any books/notes etc from Jeffery Yuen > that goes into more detail to further my > studies. > > Heiko Lade > > M.H.Sc.(TCM) > > Lecturer and clinic supervisor > > > > > > > > - > > david appleton > > > > Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:50 PM > > Re: vomiting feces > > > > > > Jeffrey Yuen, 88th generation lineage holder of > the > > Jade Purity school of Daoism. > > > > --- Heiko Lade <heikolade.acnm@x...> wrote: > > > > > " the lungs deal with karma and with grief via > the > > > Po " > > > > > > Grief I understand, Karma, where does this > knowledge > > > come from ? > > > > > > > > > Heiko Lade > > > M.H.Sc.(TCM) > > > Lecturer and clinic supervisor > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > david appleton > > > > > > Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:13 AM > > > Re: vomiting feces > > > > > > > > > from their trajectories they release down > and out- > > > ie > > > to the exterior- they are the only two luo > vessels > > > with descending trajectories- GB37 deals > with > > > eyes, ie > > > a new sense of vision of one's self and > one's > > > life, > > > the lungs deal with karma and with grief via > the > > > Po, > > > you use Ki 4 because it deals with jing, > jing is > > > utilized when the experience is too > traumatic for > > > the > > > Self, too self-violating- jing comes out at > Ki4 to > > > make the experience unconscious, ie > repressed. > > > > > > David > > > > > > --- <> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi David, > > > > > > > > What does " release outwards " mean? I am > > > unfamiliar > > > > with this term. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > david appleton <acuapple> wrote: > > > > Bleed her luo vessels- specifically Kidney > 4 if > > > it > > > > is > > > > repressed- Lung 7 and GB 37 release > outwards- > > > treat > > > > every other day for 11 days- this is per > jeffrey > > > > yuen > > > > > > > > --- Musiclear@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:44:23 AM > > > Eastern > > > > > Daylight Time, > > > > > writes: > > > > > Thank you, Chris. You offered lots of > > > suggestions > > > > I > > > > > hadn't yet thought of. > > > > > > > > > > Her diet also involves avoiding fiber of > all > > > > kinds. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe the abuse is key to her > > > healing, > > > > and > > > > > she does as well. She's > > > > > been working with a therapist for 7 > years, and > > > it > > > > is > > > > > her therapist who > > > > > referred her to me. I don't know if > she's > > > tried > > > > > hypnotherapy - that may well be very > > > > > valuable. > > > > > > > > > > I haven't heard of the products you > mentioned. > > > > > > > > Where can I get Calm, > > > > > Serrapetase, Wobenzyme, Inflamaway, and > > > Carlson > > > > > fish oil? Also - are there websites > > > > > with more information about these > products? > > > > > > > > > > It was requested from another CHA member > that > > > I > > > > post > > > > > more signs and symptoms > > > > > of her case. I will do this within the > next > > > few > > > > > days, when I have a longer > > > > > period of time to review the complex > details > > > of > > > > her > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fiber is a tricky one. With such > binding > > > and > > > > > stagnation, it would seem > > > > > like a good idea to avoid fiber. > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, without fiber, > the > > > bowels > > > > > don't move well at all. > > > > > Also, some fibers are broken down by > bacteria > > > into > > > > > sugars that feed them and > > > > > produce a healthy colony, which helps > bowel > > > > > movement. There is a tricky balance > > > > > there between making sure there is > enough > > > > beneficial > > > > > fiber and causing more > > > > > binding. > > > > > > > > > > As far as the products I mentioned, > they > > > are > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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