RE: Cancer Side Effects

July 2, 2002

Teresa,

I agree that each patient will present differently so your differential diagnostic approach is appropriate. So aside from that, I would add that the cancer treatment hospital I have been to in Beijing, and other "experts in this area" seems to be keen on up-regulating immune function post chemotherapy. I have seen studies on the anti-tumor and immune regulating effects of many mushroom ingredients. The one that seems to have the most potent effect is ji song rong. It appears to inhibit new tumor formation quite significantly as well as up regulating immune function. Since jisongrong has only been used in China since 1992, it is not listed in any Chinese Materia Medicas. Jisongrong is generally considered to be xing ping (mild natured) and wei gan (sweet in taste). It is not considered shang huo (induce excess internal heat) and therefore is appropriate for a wider range of patients than say xia cao (cordyceps). Its anti-tumor effects have been just as strong from oral dosing rather than many of the studies on fungi that are researched using injectible dosing. If you cannot find this ingredient anywhere but are interested in using it I would consider producing it but normally don't manufacture in small quantities. You would have to get a few others that would be interested in sharing an order. Maybe someone else knows of a source.

Stephen

Teresa Hall [Teresa.bodywork4u]Hi group,

I am still wondering if anyone has more to share about treating the side effects of Cancer. I have heard that on a nutritional level some patients are better with raw foods, while another group responds better to Medicincal type Bone Marrow broth. In the past week I have had the opportunity to work with two Cancer Patients. I am looking for differences between the two. One diffintely has a colder presentation, represented in the tongue, pulse and general posturing ie. the cold type was curled up in a ball. The patient who definitely presents with a heat pattern, very deep red tongue with deep cracks... started a raw food diet 2 months ago. My second patient was getting more and more emaciated by the day, post 6 bags of chemo. She can not even stand to think about cold vegetables and is able to drink a Bone Marrow broth with a couple of seleced herbs in it.

Also, I have been studying the finger nails of these patients and there is diffintely a difference. Does anyone look at the moons of finger nails to help determine the presenting pattern?

In Health,

TeresaChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

July 2, 2002

, " stephen " <stephen@b...>

wrote:

I have heard that on a nutritional level some patients

> are better with raw foods, while another group responds better

to Medicincal

> type Bone Marrow broth.

Cancer in adults always seem to have profound vacuity

components. After chemo, the spleen is shot, if it wasn't already

gone. while one should certainly balance hot and cold,if what

you mean by raw foods is is a vegan diet, than that will just

accelerate wasting. When I studied raw foods and natural

hygience quite seriously in the early 80's, the argument made

was that since our GI tracts were like an apes, we should eat

like an ape. what the early raw foodists did not know was

revealed later. Most of the great apes are opportunistic

carnivores. Evolving in the tropics made fruit more of a valuable

food than elsewhere, perhaps, but primates are well know to

scavenge the prey of large carnivores, eat eggs, insects and

even kill other small animals. In fact, the animal protein content

of ancient subsaharan hominids is now thought to have been

quite high. In fact, one of the reasons that humans spread

around the globe and chimpanzees did not is because of how

adapted we are to a high protein diet. So if we want to eat like

apes, make sure to get enough protein. (the exception is the

almost exclusively vegetarian gorilla, but I don't buy the argument

that we are much like gorilla -- a gorilla can throw a 200 hundred

pound man 30 feet through the air. I would suggest that their

metabolism works a bit differently than ours.) All the apes our

size eat meat. Now, if your patient is eating raw meat, that is an

interesting discussion, too. So while I do not oppose raw food,

especially in warm weather and prepared appropriately, I still

think cooked food should be the centerpiece of people's diet.

July 2, 2002

, " stephen " <stephen@b...>

wrote:

I have heard that on a nutritional level some patients

> are better with raw foods, while another group responds better

to Medicincal

> type Bone Marrow broth.

Response: I did not write this.

Stephen

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

including board approved online continuing education.

July 2, 2002

I just did a search for ji song rong on Google and a company called Bio

Essence carries it. I've never heard of them. Anyone know anything about

their products?

Catherine

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stephen

Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:54 AM

RE: Cancer Side Effects

Teresa,

I agree that each patient will present differently so your differential

diagnostic approach is appropriate. So aside from that, I would add that

the cancer treatment hospital I have been to in Beijing, and other " experts

in this area " seems to be keen on up-regulating immune function post

chemotherapy. I have seen studies on the anti-tumor and immune regulating

effects of many mushroom ingredients. The one that seems to have the most

potent effect is ji song rong. It appears to inhibit new tumor formation

quite significantly as well as up regulating immune function. Since

jisongrong has only been used in China since 1992, it is not listed in any

Chinese Materia Medicas. Jisongrong is generally considered to be xing ping

(mild natured) and wei gan (sweet in taste). It is not considered shang huo

(induce excess internal heat) and therefore is appropriate for a wider range

of patients than say xia cao (cordyceps). Its anti-tumor effects have been

just as strong from oral dosing rather than many of the studies on fungi

that are researched using injectible dosing. If you cannot find this

ingredient anywhere but are interested in using it I would consider

producing it but normally don't manufacture in small quantities. You would

have to get a few others that would be interested in sharing an order.

Maybe someone else knows of a source.

Stephen

Teresa Hall [Teresa.bodywork4u]

Hi group,

I am still wondering if anyone has more to share about treating the side

effects of Cancer. I have heard that on a nutritional level some patients

are better with raw foods, while another group responds better to Medicincal

type Bone Marrow broth. In the past week I have had the opportunity to work

with two Cancer Patients. I am looking for differences between the two.

One diffintely has a colder presentation, represented in the tongue, pulse

and general posturing ie. the cold type was curled up in a ball. The

patient who definitely presents with a heat pattern, very deep red tongue

with deep cracks... started a raw food diet 2 months ago. My second patient

was getting more and more emaciated by the day, post 6 bags of chemo. She

can not even stand to think about cold vegetables and is able to drink a

Bone Marrow broth with a couple of seleced herbs in it.

Also, I have been studying the finger nails of these patients and there is

diffintely a difference. Does anyone look at the moons of finger nails to

help determine the presenting pattern?

In Health,

Teresa

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

including board approved online continuing education.

July 2, 2002

I just did a search for ji song rong on Google and a company called Bio

Essence carries it. I've never heard of them. Anyone know anything about

their products?

Catherine,

I had not heard of BioEssence but looked it up on the web. They have

information on ji song rong, Agaricus blazei, at the following address:

http://www.ecomallbiz.com/biotashi/displayroom/searchresults.nhtml?searchfor

=ji+song+rong The price of $31 seems quite high for 90 caps. Their claim

to have done an 8 to 1 extraction to achieve the 45% polysaccharide content

level seems odd since my company's lab in China achieved a range of 58.10%

to 62.91% in both fruiting body cultivation and fermentation batches. We

sell it in bulk by the kilo for under $50, with a reasonable profit margin,

if that provides a useful reference point.