Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Paraphrasing Guohui Liu in Warm Diseases (Eastland, pg. 407), one etiology of EXTERNAL dampheat is the consumption of improper foods over a long period of time. Sound familiar? Many who contract external dampheat this way are also predisposed by a condition of spleen qi xu. So, many of the formulas in various wen bing texts over the years are applicable to modern patients who present with spleen qi xu and dietary indiscretions. There are herbs that tend to appear in formulas for external dampheat that are not so common in formulas originally designed for internal dampheat. My teacher, Li Wei, particularly made use of huo xiang and pei lan in many patients. Often adding them to bu zhong yi qi tang. She perceived something about these patients, perhaps diet, that suggested the use of these herbs. She definitely was strongly influenced by wen bing works, which she once called her favorites amongst all the classics. It made perfect sense to her to adapt these wen bing ideas to more chronic patients. In fact, reading the wen bing xue (paradigm), one sees that external dampheat has a potentially chronic nature assigned to it by definition, especially in spleen xu or if treated improperly. I have found formulas for sanjiao dampheat like san ren tang to be useful in some really stubborn cases, the only thing in common being dampheat. this rx is for dampness predominant (Liu, 421). A prostatitis case comes to mind. Anyone else ever made much use of such rx in chronic illness? I was first influenced in this regard by clavey (fluid Physiology). But now having access to Liu and Siefert's works has been illuminating. Chinese Herbs " Great spirits have always been violently opposed by mediocre minds " -- Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 , <@i...> wrote: She definitely was strongly influenced by wen bing works, which she once called her favorites amongst all the classics. It made perfect sense to her to adapt these wen bing ideas to more chronic patients. : Sounds interesting. Are there any other examples of how she adapted the Wen Bing formulas? Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 , " jramholz " <jramholz> wrote: > > : > > Sounds interesting. Are there any other examples of how she adapted > the Wen Bing formulas? that was most apparent. so many of our patients in OR had dampheat in the midjiao. climate was a big factor. and mayonnaise, too, I think. You can't get a sandwich WITHOUT mayonnaise up there. she didn't seem to make much of the idea that herpes was latent toxin. She seemed to treat these as yin fire cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 I grow Huo Xiang in my back yard. It's a perennial in the mint family. It makes an interesting, anise-flavored beverage tea, and you can even make pesto with it. I also grow Bo He and Bai Zhi in my back yard for the same reason. Bai Zhi can be eaten as a salad green. All good for damp heat due to dietary irregularity. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 really. do the leaves have that characteristic angelica aroma? that is probably a nice flavor for mixed greens. todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 I've got a few plants if you'd like to check it out (of huo xiang, not bai zhi). Really great in teas. On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 10:01 PM, 1 wrote: > > > really. do the leaves have that characteristic angelica aroma? > that is probably a nice flavor for mixed greens. > > todd > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 Yup. taste good mixed with other greens. Bob , " 1 " <@i...> wrote: > > > really. do the leaves have that characteristic angelica aroma? > that is probably a nice flavor for mixed greens. > > todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 In a message dated 7/3/2002 2:47:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pemachophel2001 writes: I grow Huo Xiang in my back yard. It's a perennial in the mint family. It makes an interesting, anise-flavored beverage tea, and you can even make pesto with it. I also grow Bo He and Bai Zhi in my back yard for the same reason. Bai Zhi can be eaten as a salad green. All good for damp heat due to dietary irregularity. Bob Some of my best memories growing up was going into my grandfathers garden and picking fresh produce off the bush or out of the ground. Wipe off the dirt and dig in. Yummy! Now that I have a little land, I would like to set up a garden myself starting with some herbs. Where would you suggest I look for a good source of the seeds for the herbs you mentioned? Thanks in advance, Chris Allison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 You may want to try Horizon Herbs in Williams, Oregon. They sell a few Chinese herb seeds and plants. Their number is (541) 846-6704 and web site is: www.chatlink.com/~herbseed. They offer a free catalog by mail also. Daniel Haines Crystal Dragon Herbs P. O. Box 476 Hanover, WI. 53542 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 In the recent past, I've ordered from plantitherbs.com, they have a nice selection of Chinese herb plants. However, they are presently not shipping due to poor health of the proprietor. A few seedlings are available from elixirfarm.com, but they have quite a few Chinese herb seed varieties. On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 08:49 AM, ShenDao2 wrote: > In a message dated 7/3/2002 2:47:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > pemachophel2001 writes: > > > I grow Huo Xiang in my back yard. It's a perennial in the mint family. > It makes an interesting, anise-flavored beverage tea, and you can even > make pesto with it. I also grow Bo He and Bai Zhi in my back yard for > the same reason. Bai Zhi can be eaten as a salad green. All good for > damp heat due to dietary irregularity. > > Bob > > > > Some of my best memories growing up was going into my > grandfathers garden and picking fresh produce off the bush or out of > the ground. Wipe off the dirt and dig in. Yummy! > Now that I have a little land, I would like to set up a garden > myself starting with some herbs. Where would you suggest I look for a > good source of the seeds for the herbs you mentioned? > Thanks in advance, > Chris Allison > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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