Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hello Group I anyone aware of any reference in English or Chinese specifically addressing the antioxident properties Chinese herbs? I am seeing a pt. with throat cx. who will be undergoing radiation therapy. Her oncologist needs to be reassured that her patient will not be taking anything with antioxident properties and the ball is in my court. Thanks, Chip Chace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Chip - Obviously, materials containing flavanoids and carotenoids are out. Hongyen Hsu's Chemical Constituents of Oriental Herbs will list some. I must say this stipulation is peculiar. Does this mean the patient will not be consuming vegetables or fruits? I'm also interested in the source of the oncologist's consideration to avoid antioxidants for radiation therapy. Will Morris Hello Group I anyone aware of any reference in English or Chinese specifically addressing the antioxident properties Chinese herbs? I am seeing a pt. with throat cx. who will be undergoing radiation therapy. Her oncologist needs to be reassured that her patient will not be taking anything with antioxident properties and the ball is in my court. Thanks, Chip Chace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Chip, I've got some on-line resources connected to a database program I've been working on. If you can mention specific molecules or medicinals, I may be able to help you out here. On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 02:25 PM, cwchace wrote: > Hello Group > I anyone aware of any reference in English or Chinese specifically > addressing the antioxident properties Chinese herbs? I am seeing a pt. > with throat cx. who will be undergoing radiation therapy. Her > oncologist needs to be reassured that her patient will not be taking > anything with antioxident properties and the ball is in my court. > Thanks, > Chip Chace > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hey Chip, I spoke with someone just a moment ago about your request...she said to go on MedLine with the latin names and they'll give you all the info you need. She also said that the level of antioxidant activity is very low and will not have the contraindicated impact the oncologist may be concerned with. If high dosage, say Vit D, were administered there may be cause for concern...seems as controversial as the acidophilus/antibiotic concerns... Remember Samuel Hannemann's "It's not the poison, it's the dosage" MedLine will arm you. ciao Yosef Pollack (an old student of yours) - cwchace Friday, July 05, 2002 4:29 PM Antioxident Pharmacology Hello GroupI anyone aware of any reference in English or Chinese specifically addressing the antioxident properties Chinese herbs? I am seeing a pt. with throat cx. who will be undergoing radiation therapy. Her oncologist needs to be reassured that her patient will not be taking anything with antioxident properties and the ball is in my court. Thanks,Chip Chace Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 , cwchace@a... wrote: > Hello Group > I anyone aware of any reference in English or Chinese specifically addressing > the antioxident properties Chinese herbs? no reference right now, but I think many chinese herbs, especially tonics, have antioxidant properties. fact is that most plants are antioxidants for humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2002 Report Share Posted July 6, 2002 I have heard of it in the context of megadosing antioxidents - I have not heard of it in food grade or herb grade dosing. And - I am curious about studies supporting such notions. Will I am surprised you never heard this before. I have been running into this concern by oncologists for at least 6-7 years. Many chemo agents work by being potent oxidizers. Oncologists have long been concerned about things like vitamin C use in their chemo patients for just this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2002 Report Share Posted July 6, 2002 , WMorris116@A... wrote: > Chip - > > I must say this stipulation is peculiar. Does this mean the patient will not > be consuming vegetables or fruits? I'm also interested in the source of the > oncologist's consideration to avoid antioxidants for radiation therapy. will I am surprised you never heard this before. I have been running into this concern by oncologists for at least 6-7 years. Many chemo agents work by being potent oxidizers. Oncologists have long been concerned about things like vitamin C use in their chemo patients for just this reason. As Yosef mentioned later today, dosage is critical. Normal consumption of veggies is not potent enough to cause this concern. However, contrary to Yosef's source, some herbs are quite potent antioxidants as a medline search will show. Personally, I won't play the oncologist's game and adjust my formulas for this reason. I think they are wrong. Better data for Chip to show the doc would be clinical studies that demonstrate better results when herbs are combined with chemo. this type of clinical data is really the final word on this subject. theoretical speculations based upon theory that is not grounded in practice are just as worthless in WM as they are in CM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2002 Report Share Posted July 6, 2002 , WMorris116@A... wrote: > I have heard of it in the context of megadosing antioxidents - I have not > heard of it in food grade or herb grade dosing. And - I am curious about > studies supporting such notions. Gotcha. I completely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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