Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 wrote : > Is there much mentoring of recent graduates going on in San Diego? I'm > not aware of much in the way of mentoring recent graduates here in > Boulder, CO. Official mentoring programs are one of the things I think > the state associations could offer members. This could be both > business mentoring and CM mentoring. Miki Shima once told me that one > of the California associations had such an official mentoring program. > Do you know anything about it? I haven't heard of the Colorado association or any of the Colorado schools doing anything like this (I'm in Denver). Even though I won't be graduating for another year, I would definitely love to find a mentor to consult during my first year out. -judy saxe jude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Z'ev, I think this issue of apprenticeship and mentoring is a critical one. I'd like to ask a few questions of you and anyone else who has information or insight on this topic. A few practitioners, including myself do take on recent graduates as observers. [...] I am not aware of any association in California that has a mentoring program. Do you know why not? I do know that a few of the practitioner's associations were supportive of a one year mentoring requirement for licensure that was dropped some time ago in the process of lobbying for increased education requirements. Do you know why it was dropped? I think senior practitioners should take new graduates under their wing to help them get settled into practice. I've heard nothing but good reports from recent graduates who have done so. It also keeps something of the old apprenticeship tradition alive. I agree. I think that in the transmission of the art of medicine, as with so many of the arts, a critical step in education and training is having someone who is skillful guide less experienced students and practitioners and help them to develop a deeper sense of the relative importances, differences and similarities. And, as we've discussed here before, one of the things that's missing from education on the subject almost universally is a step which weaves the theoretical material into the clinical practice. I say almost universally because this was first brought to my attention by a colleague at the Chengdu University of TCM a few years back. I find that many recent graduates in the States complain about this point of no clear and concrete synthesis of the theory they've been taught with clinical realities. And having just spent a couple of months takling with people in a number of European countries and having found a similar situation, I tend to think of it as a universal problem. And the only way to address it is if those with experience do take it on as their responsibility to see to it that those with less get the benefit of a mentor. I know there are many on this list who have had some sort of apprenticeship or mentoring. I'd like to know how you all think of that experience. And I'm really interested in knowing why it hasn't been more fully integrated into the current educational programs and requirements. Thanks, Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 07:39 PM, <yulong wrote: > Z'ev, > > I think this issue of apprenticeship and mentoring is a critical one. > I'd like > to > ask a few questions of you and anyone else > who has information or insight on this > topic. > > > > I am not aware of any association in California that has a mentoring > program. > > Do you know why not? I don't think anyone has ever thought of doing so. > > (Ken) I do know that a few of the practitioner's associations were > supportive of a one year mentoring requirement for licensure that was > dropped some time ago in the process of lobbying for increased education > requirements. > > Do you know why it was dropped? Politics. It was a very unpopular idea with the colleges and many students to have to pay a practitioner to supervise them for the first year of practice. Also, perhaps difficult to administer, finding enough capable practitioners to oversee new acupuncturists. The potential for abuse was high, I think. > > (Ken)I know there are many on this list who have > had some sort of apprenticeship or mentoring. > I'd like to know how you all think of that > experience. And I'm really interested in > knowing why it hasn't been more fully integrated > into the current educational programs and > requirements. > > I think this an idea whose time has come. We just need to find ways to do it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 (Ken)I know there are many on this list who havehad some sort of apprenticeship or mentoring.I'd like to know how you all think of thatexperience. And I'm really interested inknowing why it hasn't been more fully integratedinto the current educational programs andrequirements.>>>I have had students for many years although usually people that have taken my courses and were interested in more experience. I have always enjoyed it and never found it to be intrusive Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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