Chan Tui as an Envoy / venting rashes & herpes treatments?

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And.. Along those lines.. A few weeks ago there was some discussion

about various herpes treatments. There was a mayway newsletter that

came out at the same time (good timing) and it mentioned using long dan

xie gan wan for the acute phase and bi xie sheng shi wan for long term

treatment.

 

Since treatment seems to focus on cutting down the time it takes for the

lesions to heal, I was wondering if there is a correlation here with how

you can use chan tui in the treatment principle of 'venting rashes' in

measles cases. Has anyone heard of that treatment principle being used

for patients with herpes lesions?

 

Geoff

 

 

 

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Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:37:12 -0000

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Re: Chan Tui as an Envoy

 

, " burtonperez " <tgperez@e...>

wrote:

Just because Chan Tui treats symptoms in the

> head and neck, does that mean it will act as an emissary for

other

> herbs? If so, would any herb with actions on the head and

neck do the

> same? I understand herbs like Jie Geng, Niu Xi and others

are famous

> for their ability to direct the actions of a formula to certain body

> zones, but have always thought this was somewhat unique to

these

> herbs.

 

 

I don't think that any one herb that goes to a particular part of the

body necessarily pulls the formula in that direction. Some

herbs, as you mentioned are quite strong for their channel

guiding, but even these herbs do not automatically overcome the

directional vector of a formula. for example, du huo leads to the

lower back. It is often used in formulas for tonification and blood

moving. Often with tonics that also go to the lower back, such as

shu di, du zhong. But even du huo is indicated for certain upper

body symptoms like headache and toothache. so it won't drive a

formula to the lower back if entire thrust of the formula drives it to

the head. for those herbs that are even less potent in their

channel guiding, this effect would be decreased even more.

That the effects of herbs ameliorate each others vectors is

explicit in some formulas. the use of jie geng and zhi ke in chai

hu zhi jie tang and xue fu zhu yu tang shows how the interaction

of theses two herbs with opposite directions is used for chest

expansion and neither leads the formula up or down.

 

On another note, I have often seen people treat skin diseases

with exterior releasing herbs even when no exterior invasion was

involved. I figure on one hand, such herbs do lead the formula to

the skin and their purpose may not be actually to address an

exterior pathogen (but this is only if the thrust of the entire does

not antagonize the floating herbs) . They may also dispel wind

caused itching that has arisen locally, perhaps due to stagnation

and heat. this was not my teacher's approach, but I have seen it

used often by purported experts in TCM dermatology. However,

chan tui seems to be used more for itchy skin diseases than

acne, IMO. Others? any thoughts?

 

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, " Geoffrey Hudson, MTCM, L.Ac. "

<list@a...> wrote:

treatment principle of 'venting rashes' in

> measles cases. Has anyone heard of that treatment principle

being used

> for patients with herpes lesions?

>

>

 

this idea did come up in the thread you mentioned from last

month. At the time, I think people were generally skeptical that

venting a blood level pathogen through the exterior made sense.

Because this pathogen did not enter via the wei level. And that

assumes we can make any correlation between the herpes

virus and the concept of lurking pathogen anyway. As none of

the therapies based upon this concept work to eliminate the

herpes virus, it seems likely that this correlation is incorrect.