Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Similar idea I have seen small doses of Da Huang, another bitter herb, used to kickstart the digestive pivot. I believe I have saw this in Dui Yao by Blue Poppy. - Friday, July 26, 2002 11:57 AM Re: huang lian - nourisher? It sounds to me like an adaptation of a related western herbal medicinal, golden seal, as a 'digestive tonic', because of golden seal's ability to stimulate the production of gastric juices and enzymes. Huang lian/goldthread (coptis) and golden seal I believe are in the same plant family and have similar indications. They are both plants high in berberine as well.In a seminar around 1982 or so, Dan Bensky mentioned the use of small doses of long dan xie gan tang as a 'digestive tonic' of sorts, like Swedish bitters.On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 08:43 AM, wrote: Has anyone heard of using a low dose (0.75 g/day ) of huang lianto `protect' or `nourish' the stomach? Is there a formula that comesto mind that uses huang lian in this way? I was recently exposed tothis idea and am currently questioning it… The particular case thatused this idea was one of sp xu, yin xu, and lv qi. The patientcould not tolerate herbs very well (epi / abd discomfort) nausea,etc. Any referenced discussion of this idea would be appreciated.-Huang qiaka - Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 Has anyone heard of using a low dose (0.75 g/day ) of huang lian to `protect' or `nourish' the stomach? Is there a formula that comes to mind that uses huang lian in this way? I was recently exposed to this idea and am currently questioning it… The particular case that used this idea was one of sp xu, yin xu, and lv qi. The patient could not tolerate herbs very well (epi / abd discomfort) nausea, etc. Any referenced discussion of this idea would be appreciated. -Huang qi aka - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 It sounds to me like an adaptation of a related western herbal medicinal, golden seal, as a 'digestive tonic', because of golden seal's ability to stimulate the production of gastric juices and enzymes. Huang lian/goldthread (coptis) and golden seal I believe are in the same plant family and have similar indications. They are both plants high in berberine as well. In a seminar around 1982 or so, Dan Bensky mentioned the use of small doses of long dan xie gan tang as a 'digestive tonic' of sorts, like Swedish bitters. On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 08:43 AM, wrote: > Has anyone heard of using a low dose (0.75 g/day ) of huang lian > to `protect' or `nourish' the stomach? Is there a formula that comes > to mind that uses huang lian in this way? I was recently exposed to > this idea and am currently questioning it… The particular case that > used this idea was one of sp xu, yin xu, and lv qi. The patient > could not tolerate herbs very well (epi / abd discomfort) nausea, > etc. Any referenced discussion of this idea would be appreciated. > > -Huang qi aka - > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 Dan, Is it possible you could reset the date on your e-mail program? On Thursday, July 18, 2002, at 01:04 AM, Wasserman wrote: > Similar idea I have seen small doses of Da Huang, another bitter herb, > used to kickstart the digestive pivot. > I believe I have saw this in Dui Yao by Blue Poppy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 huang qi 'bitter strengthens the stomach'. You can use long dan cao in small amounts (1-2g) to improve appettite. (modern research shows that it stimulates stomach linings to secrete more gastric acids) huang lian is used in this way in an experienced formula for food stagnation with poor appetite , egigastric distention (digestive department, Chengdu). fa ban xia 20, hou po 10, shen qu 20, shan zha 15, fu ling 15, cang zhu 20, chenpi 10, huang lian 6, cao dou kou 15, gan cao 6, lai fu zi 30, huo xiang 12 you mentioned a case with spleen xu, yin xu, and liver qi (depression?). whoever prescribed huang lian might have also diagnosed the patient with food stagnation. Bob flaws argues that stomach qi is only a function of spleen qi. spleen qi vacuity often manifests with concurrent stomach heat and stomach qi not descending. in this sense huang lian would strengthen the stomach to descend stomach qi. mike wrote: Has anyone heard of using a low dose (0.75 g/day ) of huang lian to `protect' or `nourish' the stomach? Is there a formula that comes to mind that uses huang lian in this way? I was recently exposed to this idea and am currently questioning it… The particular case that used this idea was one of sp xu, yin xu, and lv qi. The patient could not tolerate herbs very well (epi / abd discomfort) nausea, etc. Any referenced discussion of this idea would be appreciated.-Huang qiaka - Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 I was taught to use low dose huang qin with spicy worm formulas to "protect"stomach yin alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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