Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 Shengmai San (Traditional Herbal Medicines for Modern Times) by Robert K. M. Ko (Editor) List Price: $80.00 This item will be published in August 2002. You may order it now from Amazon.com. Hardcover: 160 pages Publisher: Taylor & Francis; ISBN: 0415284902; 1st edition (August 2002) --- Book Description This book provides a comprehensive treatise on the historical, phytochemical, pharmacological/toxicological, clinical as well as pharmaceutical aspects of Shengmai San and its component herbs. It provides a scientific rationale for using this multi-component formulation in traditional Chinese medicine for the prevention and treatment of diseases. About the Author Robert K.M. Ko is at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, in Hong Kong, China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 James, have you seen this book yet? It sounds fascinating, but before I shell out $80 for a book on a single formula, I thought I'd ask. Also, does it have case studies? tia Rory -------- At 4:03 AM +0000 8/3/02, jramholz wrote: >Shengmai San (Traditional Herbal Medicines for Modern Times) >by Robert K. M. Ko (Editor) > >List Price: $80.00 >This item will be published in August 2002. You may order it now >from Amazon.com. > >Hardcover: 160 pages >Publisher: Taylor & Francis; ISBN: 0415284902; 1st edition (August >2002) >--- >Book Description >This book provides a comprehensive treatise on the historical, >phytochemical, pharmacological/toxicological, clinical as well as >pharmaceutical aspects of Shengmai San and its component herbs. It >provides a scientific rationale for using this multi-component >formulation in traditional Chinese medicine for the prevention and >treatment of diseases. > >About the Author >Robert K.M. Ko is at the Hong Kong University of Science and >Technology, in Hong Kong, China. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 Rory: No I haven't seen it. I was hoping someone else had, and could offer an opinion. I don't mind the expense, but don't use the formula often enough to warrant a purchase about it solely---as interesting as it might be. If someone were truly interested in herbs as their primary treatment mode, they should already have it. Jim Ramholz <<< Rory wrote: James, have you seen this book yet? It sounds fascinating, but before I shell out $80 for a book on a single formula, I thought I'd ask. Also, does it have case studies? tia Rory -------- At 4:03 AM +0000 8/3/02, jramholz wrote: >Shengmai San (Traditional Herbal Medicines for Modern Times) >by Robert K. M. Ko (Editor) > >List Price: $80.00 >This item will be published in August 2002. You may order it now >from Amazon.com. > >Hardcover: 160 pages >Publisher: Taylor & Francis; ISBN: 0415284902; 1st edition (August >2002) >-- - >Book Description >This book provides a comprehensive treatise on the historical, >phytochemical, pharmacological/toxicological, clinical as well as >pharmaceutical aspects of Shengmai San and its component herbs. It >provides a scientific rationale for using this multi-component >formulation in traditional Chinese medicine for the prevention and >treatment of diseases. > >About the Author >Robert K.M. Ko is at the Hong Kong University of Science and >Technology, in Hong Kong, China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 At 3:18 PM +0000 8/10/02, jramholz wrote: >If someone were truly interested in herbs as their primary treatment >mode, they should already have it. -- Not sure why you think that. Perhaps you'd like to buy from me all the books I've bought over the years on that basis, and then found not to be useful, or that repeated information I already had elsewhere. At this stage I prefer to be a bit more discriminatory. Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 Rory: It was intended tongue-in-cheek to the forum at large, but the tone is probably too difficult to convey in email without one of those smiley face icons. But---since this is an herbal forum---I am surprised no one already has a copy. My jaded opinion is that if a practitioner doesn't to several journals and buy at least one new book a month, they're not truly interested in the field. No excuses. I'm sure we probably have many books in common that repeat the same basic or useless info. Being more discriminatory like you, keep in mind that one of the advantages of buying from Amazon.com is that their return policy is fairly liberal. Jim Ramholz , Rory Kerr <rorykerr@w...> wrote: > At 3:18 PM +0000 8/10/02, jramholz wrote: > >If someone were truly interested in herbs as their primary treatment mode, they should already have it. > > Not sure why you think that. Perhaps you'd like to buy from me all > the books I've bought over the years on that basis, and then found > not to be useful, or that repeated information I already had > elsewhere. At this stage I prefer to be a bit more discriminatory. > > Rory > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 I'll concur on that Rory - your school has one of the best acupuncture school libraries in the country as far as professionalism, inter-library loan contracts and English language materials. There are other schools that house the owner's personal library that have Chinese language materials and older and harder to get materials. Will I have direct access to a very well maintained library at the College, so I'll request that they get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 At 6:34 AM +0000 8/11/02, jramholz wrote: >It was intended tongue-in-cheek to the forum at large, but the tone >is probably too difficult to convey in email without one of those >smiley face icons. But---since this is an herbal forum---I am >surprised no one already has a copy. My jaded opinion is that if a >practitioner doesn't to several journals and buy at least >one new book a month, they're not truly interested in the field. No >excuses. > >I'm sure we probably have many books in common that repeat the same >basic or useless info. Being more discriminatory like you, keep in >mind that one of the advantages of buying from Amazon.com is that >their return policy is fairly liberal. -- Oh! sorry James, I missed it. I thought the icon was a wagging finger, not a smiley. I agree with your general statement. I'm fortunate that, in addition to my own bulging shelves, I have direct access to a very well maintained library at the College, so I'll request that they get it. Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 Hmm, although admittedly I agree with Jim I do not want to be a boor, but here there are no liberties nor actually any book shop that has good material the translation from English to Spanish is fraught with "logistical defects" at least the copies of books (yes, photo copies), that I have seen. My current income is about 100 us dollars a month (hopefully it will change) either way this may speak for it self as to regularity of book purchase. I also agree with journals but... either way which journal do people recommend? I think I can re- to Journal of Chinese medicine UK. The journal that appears to me as an excellent journal both in scope and academic standard is the journal Clinical Acupuncture and Oriental medicine (I think the name is that), and when circumstances allows for it will to Clinical Acupuncture... This is not a letter of compliant nor do I want to trace the current and historical aspects that contribute to a huge difference in the "North South Divide". I been accused of being an "idealist" (the most flattering term, others are communist, socialist etc), I am neither. Only three weeks ago a person that believe in health care (better health care) for the Indigenous population was asinated, of course he mention the Indigenous question in Guatemala openly and actively, the work continuous. If a clinic in a marginal area was to materialise I "secretly" would want to have foreign faces present in the clinic apart from all that we potentially could learn from acumoxa specialists and TCM practitioners and Chinese doctors it would defuse an interest from the more reactionary sectors in Guatemala. Why I am mentioning this well the statement of Jim I do agree with it if it is to imply that one needs to continue study... but nothing can be non-contexculised. I see this list as an great aid and life line to try to learn more I am very lucky because come December I know at least some books will come with "mother Christmas". If the class continues I hope they will either individually or together commence book purchasing. In London I had a good wages and lucky (have albeit small) a libery of Chinese medicine. Which internet sight do people recommend of good material with regard to Chinese medicine. Maybe it is worth to say that If I ever have the joy of meting the pole at paradigm and blue poppy and someone named Al stone and of course Todd for there great web places one would be hard not to kiss there feet (metaphorically speaking to show joy and gratitude). I will respond of list to some people, only that those letters need to be less "emotive" ... and when time allows. Also many thanks to people like Ken, Rey, Robert, Jim and (would like to speak to Fernando, is your mother tongue Spanish?) for planting and responding to questions and queries... and future contributors to the list... Marco Bergh - Rory Kerr Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:46 AM Re: Interesting New Book At 6:34 AM +0000 8/11/02, jramholz wrote:>It was intended tongue-in-cheek to the forum at large, but the tone>is probably too difficult to convey in email without one of those>smiley face icons. But---since this is an herbal forum---I am>surprised no one already has a copy. My jaded opinion is that if a>practitioner doesn't to several journals and buy at least>one new book a month, they're not truly interested in the field. No>excuses.>>I'm sure we probably have many books in common that repeat the same>basic or useless info. Being more discriminatory like you, keep in>mind that one of the advantages of buying from Amazon.com is that>their return policy is fairly liberal.--Oh! sorry James, I missed it. I thought the icon was a wagging finger, not a smiley. I agree with your general statement. I'm fortunate that, in addition to my own bulging shelves, I have direct access to a very well maintained library at the College, so I'll request that they get it.Rory-- Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 At 9:26 AM -0500 8/11/02, Marco wrote: either way which journal do people recommend? I think I can re- to Journal of Chinese medicine UK. -- Marco, JCM is the best bet if you only get one. In addition to it's own content, it gives you abstracts from the Journal of Traditional from China, which would be my second choice. JCM also has a very helpful pull out supplement with short pieces of news related to Chinese medicine and other health care subjects. If you don't already have back issues of JCM, you might want to leave a note for Mother Christmas for the CD of all the back articles, indexed and searchable -- very useful. Perhaps you could tell us what sort of treatment you are giving and for what, so that we can make suggestions. In any event it would be very interesting to know what practice is like where you are. If you send your mailing address, I'll send you a book or two. I'll ask first, to make sure you don't already have it. Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 I think an overlooked, and very high quality journal, is the Clinical Acupuncture and Oriental Journal, published by Churchill-Livingstone. I am on the editorial committee along with Bob Felt, Stephen Birch, Richard Hammerschlag and Nigel Wiseman. Ken Rose is the editor, he can give you more info on how to get it where you are. On Sunday, August 11, 2002, at 11:01 AM, Rory Kerr wrote: > At 9:26 AM -0500 8/11/02, Marco wrote: > > either way which journal do people recommend? > > > > I think I can re- to Journal of Chinese medicine UK. > > -- > > Marco, > > JCM is the best bet if you only get one. In addition to it's own > content, it gives you abstracts from the Journal of Traditional Chinese > Medicine from China, which would be my second choice. JCM also has a > very helpful pull out supplement with short pieces of news related to > Chinese medicine and other health care subjects. If you don't already > have back issues of JCM, you might want to leave a note for Mother > Christmas for the CD of all the back articles, indexed and > searchable -- very useful. > > Perhaps you could tell us what sort of treatment you are giving and for > what, so that we can make suggestions. In any event it would be very > interesting to know what practice is like where you are. > > If you send your mailing address, I'll send you a book or two. I'll ask > first, to make sure you don't already have it. > > Rory > > -- > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Marco: Until Christmas, you can read some of my articles in the file section of AdvancedPulseDiagnosis/ or other free articles and journals from the following links below. Jim Ramholz http://www.worldhealth.net/index.shtml http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/aimintro.htm http://www.acupuncturestudents.com/resources/ http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/ http://www.cintcm.ac.cn/edata/index-e.htm http://www.harcourt-international.com/journals/caom/ http://www.ejom.co.uk/frame.html http://www.herbs.org/ http://www.jcm.co.uk/ http://www.journaloflongevity.com/JOLWeb/Journal.html http://www.primeherbs.com/engstore/cr/cr_default.asp? http://www.worldscinet.com/journals/ajcm/mkt/editorial.shtml http://www.pulsemed.org/noframes4.htm http://www.hcrc.org/sram/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Hi Jim, What happens after x-mas? Will they no longer be free? Thanks, Teresa > Marco: > > Until Christmas, you can read some free journal articles from the > following links. > > Jim Ramholz > > > > > http://www.worldhealth.net/index.shtml > > http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/aimintro.htm > > http://www.acupuncturestudents.com/resources/ > > http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/ > > http://www.cintcm.ac.cn/edata/index-e.htm > > http://www.harcourt-international.com/journals/caom/ > > http://www.ejom.co.uk/frame.html > > http://www.herbs.org/ > > http://www.jcm.co.uk/ > > http://www.journaloflongevity.com/JOLWeb/Journal.html > > http://www.primeherbs.com/engstore/cr/cr_default.asp? > > http://www.worldscinet.com/journals/ajcm/mkt/editorial.shtml > > http://www.pulsemed.org/noframes4.htm > > http://www.hcrc.org/sram/ > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Marco said that he was waiting for Christmas to get some new books. The links are just to tide him (Eultide him) over until then. Jim Ramholz , " Teresa Hall " <Teresa.bodywork4u@w...> wrote: > Hi Jim, > > What happens after x-mas? Will they no longer be free? > > > Thanks, > Teresa > > > > Marco: > > > > Until Christmas, you can read some free journal articles from the > > following links. > > > > Jim Ramholz > > > > > > > > > > http://www.worldhealth.net/index.shtml > > > > http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/aimintro.htm > > > > http://www.acupuncturestudents.com/resources/ > > > > http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/ > > > > http://www.cintcm.ac.cn/edata/index-e.htm > > > > http://www.harcourt-international.com/journals/caom/ > > > > http://www.ejom.co.uk/frame.html > > > > http://www.herbs.org/ > > > > http://www.jcm.co.uk/ > > > > http://www.journaloflongevity.com/JOLWeb/Journal.html > > > > http://www.primeherbs.com/engstore/cr/cr_default.asp? > > > > http://www.worldscinet.com/journals/ajcm/mkt/editorial.shtml > > > > http://www.pulsemed.org/noframes4.htm > > > > http://www.hcrc.org/sram/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare > practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing > in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, > including board approved online continuing education. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Dear Rory, Thanks for the information...(will write of list as well) Rory: Perhaps you could tell us what sort of treatment you are giving and for what, so that we can make suggestions. In any event it would be very interesting to know what practice is like where you are. Marco: A very good question I am still getting to know the patient demographics in some fairly different settings but will try to convey some situations encountered, in due time... Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Dear Jim, Thanks a lot for the internet sites, have downloaded some of your articles and will hope fully understand enough to both learn something and to pose some questions with regard to the texts. The internet is indeed very usefull, what some times worries me is the information that is written in "glamour" style, since I do not have any one to ask in person. However with this list and people like your self one feels a bit more hopefull... Marco - jramholz Monday, August 12, 2002 1:28 AM Re: Interesting New Book Marco:Until Christmas, you can read some of my articles in the file section of AdvancedPulseDiagnosis/or other free articles and journals from the following links below.Jim Ramholzhttp://www.worldhealth.net/index.shtmlhttp://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/aimintro.htmhttp://www.acupuncturestudents.com/resources/http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/http://www.cintcm.ac.cn/edata/index-e.htmhttp://www.harcourt-international.com/journals/caom/http://www.ejom.co.uk/frame.htmlhttp://www.herbs.org/http://www.jcm.co.uk/http://www.journaloflongevity.com/JOLWeb/Journal.htmlhttp://www.primeherbs.com/engstore/cr/cr_default.asp?http://www.worldscinet.com/journals/ajcm/mkt/editorial.shtmlhttp://www.pulsemed.org/noframes4.htmhttp://www.hcrc.org/sram/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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