Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Aug.19,2002 5:30 pm Melbourne ,Australia Dear Guy, I think I prefer that I be addressed by my first name i.e. " Rey " instead of " professor " . I have'nt made any significant contrbution to the study of Chinese medicine as a developing body of knowledge to deserve such a title . The whole point about my last message to the list ( and in some previous ones as well ) is about how Chinese medicine as a growing body of practice and practitioners in the Western world including Australia and America , can co-exist generatively with our opposite number i.e. biomedicine and the biomedical practitioners. If you look at the history of the interactions between the two bodies of medical knowledge over the past numnber of centuries, this " co-existence " is riddled with misunderstandings vis-a-vis each other's culture of practice. Of course the role of positivistic science, colonialism and imperialism is very much implicated here. That is why it is very important to heed the lessons of history. And one of the critical source of misunderstading between the two traditions of healthcare is the ancient Chinese notion of Qi and one of the ingenious product of modernity --electricity.Here in Australia, a study on acupuncture prepared by the biomedical practitoner-dominated National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) in l989 referred to the " Teh-Chi " in acupuncture as a " romantic interpretation of the fact that insertion and manipulation of the acupuncture needle must be relatively paianful so that it can constitute a second noxious stimulus as reqired for DNIC to operate. " ( Hence the NHMRC's recommendation is to make the TENS machine replace acupuncture. The report thus concluded: " TCNS (transcutaneous Nerve Stimulation) does not require laborious training in traditional Chinese medicine and fanciful theories embracing thousands of acupuncture points; Nor does it involve penetration of the body. Viewed in this way, acupuncture is an elaborate but unecessarily complicated means of achieving analgesia when a clinically safer and easier method is available. " Chinese medicine practitioners here in Australia at that time critiqued this 'hegemonic scientific " notion by the NHMRC and in the process elucidated on the culture of acupuncture practice including the notion of Qi and meridians . As a result of maintaining this critical but engaged attitude vis-a-vis biomedicine we are able to define and continue our unique practice which eventually was legitimated with the enactment of the Registration Act in the year 2000 despite opposition from some elements in the AMA. And of course Qi has been mapped and will continue to be mapped.And I do not mind the " subjective/objective " mapping of the Qi which is expressed in the words you used " needle feeling " . And you have answered your own querry about how this mapping can be done in another posting you made to Michael . It will be done by a the TCM diagnostic method that is " entirely that which can be felt, tasted, smelt.. sensed.. " and may I add another three , that " which can be inquired upon " , " listened to " , and " observed " . These are refered to in the Chinese language as si zhen or Four Examination Techniques. And the content of these examination techniques can be expressed in four Chinese scripts which are pinyinized as Wang, wen, wen, qie. I understand that you only want to read " enlightened English translations " of TCM materials. However, I have to refer to the notion of Si Zhen in the Chinese language for they originally contributed (that is linguistically) to giving life to these concepts. Regards, Rey Tiquia Phd Candidate Dept. of History and Philosophy of Science The University of Melbourne Parkville Victoria Australia > In a message dated 8/18/2002 8:59:06 PM Central Standard Time, > rey@a... writes: > > Dear Professor Tiquia: > > > The " leading Western proponent of > > acupuncture in St. Louie " is actually a proponent of electrotherapy and > > not acupuncture as we do it > > Please don't think for a second I to any of his theorems regarding > acupuncture. Most of what he says is based on superstitions of the logical > positivists. > > >> Having said this, however, I have to point out that the 'existence' of > >>Qi and meridians have been mapped by numerous Chinese medicine > practitioners > >>and scholars in and out of China . > > Mapped how? Through subjective feeling? With PET scans? Thermographically? > > If you are going to say that Qi is not a construct, then don't you have to > give it some type of objective reality? > > Do you think that electrons 1) exist? 2) are real ? 3) have ontological > reality ? 4) can be observed? > > Then we must ask the same questions for Qi, and demonstrate our evidence for > 1,2 and 4. #3 is merely a linguistic exercise. > > Guy Porter > > DrGRPorter@a... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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