Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 dear list members... and "pluralistical" ( a illusion in any case the so call boundaries of medicine exist more as an construct from the medical practitioner view (i.e. East West North South), the patients has always practice some from of hetrogenic pluralistical multidisplinary interdisciplinary transdisiplinary approach to health (when it is an active responsible person in question). "should" read: and "hegomonic" ( a illusion in any case the so call boundaries of medicine exist more as an construct from the medical practitioner view (i.e. East West North South), the patients has always practice some from of hetrogenic pluralistical multidisplinary interdisciplinary transdisiplinary approach to health (when it is an active responsible person in question). Marco - Marco Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:53 PM Re: Re: CAOM Dear Jim... Again someone says what I try to say only more elegantly (sophisticated) (Jim in this case). However thick as I am I maintain that not enough background analysis's has been done when one states we practice integrated medicine and believe "science" (a suspect term if you begin to analyse it) is an answer. Natan Sivin puts it very down to earth and well when: Western medicine nor Chinese medicine is a science it may draw from scientific paradigms... yet again not a direct quote nor do I want to put words in to other peoples mouths, however it is food for thought and something that could be detected by anyone if one considers-contemplates: What are the "aspects of clinical decision making" East West? Here I think it is worth mentioning the Patients. The Patients with our with out the proponents of various medical systems has always practice "multidisciplinaryinterdisplanarytransdisiplainary" action i.e. medical approach (whenever its been a active responsible patient). Our well intentions are whether we like it or not hindered by terms used (by now we know the embedded shadow of culture within a "term"). The real reason one needs to understand more East West paradigm(s) is to be able to articulate in-between potential health aids and agents of health, however this means that all "three" partners (I believe it is called threesome in USA) needs to be educated and aware of what derives good articulation and hence good "action": Patients-----Chinese medical practitioners------Western medical practitioner (again not in a linear nor predominant order). The medicine practice in clinic needs only be a well informed practice and not a integrated ( a term not well define in any case sense by know we know there are difference form of "integration"), and "pluralistical" ( a illusion in any case the so call boundaries of medicine exist more as an construct from the medical practitioner view (i.e. East West North South), the patients has always practice some from of hetrogenic pluralistical multidisplinary interdisciplinary transdisiplinary approach to health (when it is an active responsible person in question). Hence I maintain that when a public health system is pluralisical in infrastructure the demand of patients actually raises in a good sense). And finally... What ever makes people believe that we are ready to define so call integrated medicine with out knowing the source(ies) and more comprehension of the medical paradigm(s) in questions beats me.... Marco Bergh - jramholz Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:17 PM Re: CAOM , "Teresa Hall" <> I am really happy to hear this. Because it is really not us against them.Teresa: Sometimes it really is us against them. In the past, there has been a great deal of political effort to to prevent licensing and to rein in our practice. The controversy over ephedra is a current example. They want to and may outlaw ephedra unless political clout is used to prevent it---damn the facts over its safety and efficacy. Many statements can have a political agenda attached to them---explicit or implied.The question is not whether there are scientific correlations that will help explain CM in Western terms---there are. The issue is about how CM will be integrated into the matrix of this society, and who will control it. When Kendall and others recast CM as merely a prototype of their own physiological medicine, it is an attempt to marginalize and control this profession. Why should we---as they do in a number of states---have to practice under a Western physician who may not have had any training? Jim RamholzChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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