Contraindicated points during pregnancy

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My apologies for the off-topic post to a herbal list...

 

I was reading the note below, and it reminded me to ask in the group

here - is there any 'definative' list of contraindicated points during

pregnancy? I've seen Sp 6, LI 4, GB21, sometimes St 36, lower back or

lower abdominal points on some lists, not on others... And then, more

often than not, 'contraindicated' points are often done in some cases

anyways. For instance, if you read some of the 'daoist' acupuncture

contraindicated point lists (wrong points at the wrong time), you start

to think that all points are contraindicated at all times. I want to be

safe, but then I also know that some of the contraindicated points may

not be that risky. I was wondering if anyone here has a good level of

experience with pregnant patients might like to share any info on this

subject. And, for that matter, any herbal lists as well?

 

I'm stretching... But I believe there was a line in the Nei Jing where

Huang Di asked Qi Bo what to do when a pregnant patient needed a toxic

substance to treat a pathogen - Qi Bo answered 'if you need the

substance, then use it. No harm will come to the baby'. That may be

totally wrong, but I'm wondering if the same logic applies here.

 

Geoff

 

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> Message: 16

> Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:18:20 -0000

> " kampo36 " <kampo36

> Re: ACUPRESURA

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> Marco,

>

> ¡ay que chévere!

>

> Nicely done, very clearly written (even i could understand it). I'm

> not sure if you will include diagrams for the point location, but the

> descriptions were pretty clear so you might not even need to. I

> liked the way you incorporated emotional and spiritual effects of qi

> depression along with the usual physical description, and

> incorporated meditation and diet into the material as well. The

> description of the techniques would seem to require some

> demonstration or at least illustrations, that was the only part that

> seemed unclear to me.

>

> a few comments:

> UB54 is now generally known as UB40, the order of the points on the

> Foot Taiyang Bladder channel has been altered from earlier texts.

> This makes little difference unless you are trying to communicate

> with acupuncturists from outside of Asia who learned TCM in the last

> 10 or so years.

>

> Points to avoid in pregnancy differ according to different sources.

> Some sources mention GB21 as a point to avoid, as strong stimulation

> there seems to have a strong effect on the uterus.

>

> One point you might want to include is P6, which is easy to locate

> once you've found T5 (en el lado opuesto), and is very effective for

> nausea and generally thought of as safe in pregnancy. It is also

> effective for insomnia, desmayo, cardiac and digestive problems. If

> you wanted to make an even dozen points, I'd say why not throw in

> Liv3... ;o)

>

> Where did you get the point selection for MS?

>

> Thanks for sharing this, I really enjoyed reading it.

>

> take care,

> robert hayden