Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 All, I've recently discovered a series of video taped interviews with dozens of veteran traditional Chinese medical doctors in the PRC. They're part of several hundred hours of tape that was produced for a 100-part series that was broadcast in Chinese a year or two ago by China Central Television. I've been talking with some folks at the Chinese broadcaster about translating and repackaging some of this material for English language markets, and I'd like to get a sense of the level of interest. I haven't seen the whole show yet, but it includes material on the history of Chinese medicine, basic theroies, clinical practice, health maintenance, these interviews with old veteran experts, and material on various other forms of traditional medicine indigenous to parts of China, such as Mongolian, Tibetan, Uiygur, and others. Would anyone be interested in seeing such stuff on a CD ROM? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 > > Would anyone be interested in > seeing such stuff on a CD ROM? yes, definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 I'd like to get a sense of thelevel of interest.>>>>I would love to see this on CD Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 , <yulong@m...> wrote: > All, > > I've recently discovered a series of > video taped interviews with dozens of > veteran traditional Chinese medical doctors > in the PRC. > Would anyone be interested in > seeing such stuff on a CD ROM? > > Ken Very, Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Dear ken, I think it would be a whealth of "epigraphical" information, apart from that I for one would be very interested... Marco - yulong Friday, August 30, 2002 9:43 PM Notes on material All,I've recently discovered a series ofvideo taped interviews with dozens ofveteran traditional Chinese medical doctorsin the PRC. They're part of several hundredhours of tape that was produced for a100-part series that was broadcast inChinese a year or two ago by ChinaCentral Television. I've been talkingwith some folks at the Chinesebroadcaster about translating andrepackaging some of this materialfor English language markets,and I'd like to get a sense of thelevel of interest.I haven't seen the whole show yet,but it includes material on thehistory of Chinese medicine,basic theroies, clinical practice,health maintenance, these interviewswith old veteran experts, andmaterial on various other formsof traditional medicine indigenousto parts of China, such as Mongolian,Tibetan, Uiygur, and others.Would anyone be interested inseeing such stuff on a CD ROM?KenChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Dear Ken, Would you please give us the names of the veteran practitioners in the list and the topics they are discussing.And when were they taped ? Thanks Rey Tiquia , <yulong@m...> wrote: > All, > > I've recently discovered a series of > video taped interviews with dozens of > veteran traditional Chinese medical doctors > in the PRC. They're part of several hundred > hours of tape that was produced for a > 100-part series that was broadcast in > Chinese a year or two ago by China > Central Television. I've been talking > with some folks at the Chinese > broadcaster about translating and > repackaging some of this material > for English language markets, > and I'd like to get a sense of the > level of interest. > > I haven't seen the whole show yet, > but it includes material on the > history of Chinese medicine, > basic theroies, clinical practice, > health maintenance, these interviews > with old veteran experts, and > material on various other forms > of traditional medicine indigenous > to parts of China, such as Mongolian, > Tibetan, Uiygur, and others. > > Would anyone be interested in > seeing such stuff on a CD ROM? > > Ke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Dear Ken, I meant "enthograpfical" information ... Either way sounds very intresting... Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Dear Zev, Zev: I certainly would. Sometimes it feels like I'm practicing without a record of what has come before in real live physicians. Marco: Why? Marco Bergh - Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:12 PM Re: Notes on material I certainly would. Sometimes it feels like I'm practicing without a record of what has come before in real live physicians.On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 07:43 PM, <yulong wrote: All,I've recently discovered a series ofvideo taped interviews with dozens ofveteran traditional Chinese medical doctorsin the PRC. They're part of several hundredhours of tape that was produced for a100-part series that was broadcast inChinese a year or two ago by ChinaCentral Television. I've been talkingwith some folks at the Chinesebroadcaster about translating andrepackaging some of this materialfor English language markets,and I'd like to get a sense of thelevel of interest.I haven't seen the whole show yet,but it includes material on thehistory of Chinese medicine,basic theroies, clinical practice,health maintenance, these interviewswith old veteran experts, andmaterial on various other formsof traditional medicine indigenousto parts of China, such as Mongolian,Tibetan, Uiygur, and others.Would anyone be interested inseeing such stuff on a CD ROM?Ken<image.tiff> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 I certainly would. Sometimes it feels like I'm practicing without a record of what has come before in real live physicians. On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 07:43 PM, <yulong wrote: > All, > > I've recently discovered a series of > video taped interviews with dozens of > veteran traditional Chinese medical doctors > in the PRC. They're part of several hundred > hours of tape that was produced for a > 100-part series that was broadcast in > Chinese a year or two ago by China > Central Television. I've been talking > with some folks at the Chinese > broadcaster about translating and > repackaging some of this material > for English language markets, > and I'd like to get a sense of the > level of interest. > > I haven't seen the whole show yet, > but it includes material on the > history of Chinese medicine, > basic theroies, clinical practice, > health maintenance, these interviews > with old veteran experts, and > material on various other forms > of traditional medicine indigenous > to parts of China, such as Mongolian, > Tibetan, Uiygur, and others. > > Would anyone be interested in > seeing such stuff on a CD ROM? > > Ken > > <image.tiff> > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Ken: Sounds interesting. But can you detail the practitioners and topics covered? Keeping it in a video tape format that could be shown in a class or shown to the general public would be a good too. Jim Ramholz , <yulong@m...> wrote: > All, > > I've recently discovered a series of > video taped interviews with dozens of > veteran traditional Chinese medical doctors > in the PRC. They're part of several hundred > hours of tape that was produced for a > 100-part series that was broadcast in > Chinese a year or two ago by China > Central Television. I've been talking > with some folks at the Chinese > broadcaster about translating and > repackaging some of this material > for English language markets, > and I'd like to get a sense of the > level of interest. > > I haven't seen the whole show yet, > but it includes material on the > history of Chinese medicine, > basic theroies, clinical practice, > health maintenance, these interviews > with old veteran experts, and > material on various other forms > of traditional medicine indigenous > to parts of China, such as Mongolian, > Tibetan, Uiygur, and others. > > Would anyone be interested in > seeing such stuff on a CD ROM? > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Dear Zev, I agree with you, and sometimes it seams that I am asking obvious questions... It really is to emphasise "something". One Why is this the case? a lack of "confidence" (this is not directed at any one personally, rather I am asking...); in training in articulation in the medical paradigm... or, is this a continuation of how medicine was and is practice in China? Hence is the same "sensation" felt within China? I for example have not yet sent any case histories to the list because one I feel the communication between the patient and I are lacking due to language barrier. Two a lack of confidence, three I do not feel I am at your level, Jim, Rey, Ken, Robert, Guy, Teresa and others... Hence the question asked really was to elaborate as to some "reasons" and then maybe it can be tackled and begin to change...? There are 600+ on the list how many people opinion on the list? Is this related to the change that Rey mention in one of his earlier letters? Can not remember exactly but with the change in attitude early 1900's (?) "science and medicine" Traditional practitioners began to "seclude" them self (sorry for the misinterpretation, it is not a direct quote). Hence is it also a sense of lack of infrastructure - platform to advocate Chinese medicine? Like I said I asked more in the sent to "visibilise" aspects thus far kept in the dark... How can the new training change this? Marco bergh - Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:45 AM Re: Notes on material Who in our profession do you know that has shared their cases publicly, spoken or written about their trials and errors in clinical practice, talked about their diagnosis and treatment methods? I'd love to know what other people are doing in our profession. . . .sometimes it seems that only CHA is a voice for us to share our experience.On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 07:29 PM, Marco wrote: Dear Zev, Zev: I certainly would. Sometimes it feels like I'm practicing without a record of what has come before in real live physicians. Marco: Why? Marco Bergh- Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:12 PMRe: Notes on materialI certainly would. Sometimes it feels like I'm practicing without a record of what has come before in real live physicians.On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 07:43 PM, <yulong wrote:All,I've recently discovered a series ofvideo taped interviews with dozens ofveteran traditional Chinese medical doctorsin the PRC. They're part of several hundredhours of tape that was produced for a100-part series that was broadcast inChinese a year or two ago by ChinaCentral Television. I've been talkingwith some folks at the Chinesebroadcaster about translating andrepackaging some of this materialfor English language markets,and I'd like to get a sense of thelevel of interest.I haven't seen the whole show yet,but it includes material on thehistory of Chinese medicine,basic theroies, clinical practice,health maintenance, these interviewswith old veteran experts, andmaterial on various other formsof traditional medicine indigenousto parts of China, such as Mongolian,Tibetan, Uiygur, and others.Would anyone be interested inseeing such stuff on a CD ROM?Ken<image.tiff>Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Who in our profession do you know that has shared their cases publicly, spoken or written about their trials and errors in clinical practice, talked about their diagnosis and treatment methods? I'd love to know what other people are doing in our profession. . . .sometimes it seems that only CHA is a voice for us to share our experience. On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 07:29 PM, Marco wrote: > Dear Zev, > > Zev: > > I certainly would. Sometimes it feels like I'm practicing without a > record of what has come before in real live physicians. > > Marco: > > Why? > > Marco Bergh > > - > > > Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:12 PM > Re: Notes on material > > I certainly would. Sometimes it feels like I'm practicing without a > record of what has come before in real live physicians. > > > On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 07:43 PM, <yulong wrote: > > All, > > I've recently discovered a series of > video taped interviews with dozens of > veteran traditional Chinese medical doctors > in the PRC. They're part of several hundred > hours of tape that was produced for a > 100-part series that was broadcast in > Chinese a year or two ago by China > Central Television. I've been talking > with some folks at the Chinese > broadcaster about translating and > repackaging some of this material > for English language markets, > and I'd like to get a sense of the > level of interest. > > I haven't seen the whole show yet, > but it includes material on the > history of Chinese medicine, > basic theroies, clinical practice, > health maintenance, these interviews > with old veteran experts, and > material on various other forms > of traditional medicine indigenous > to parts of China, such as Mongolian, > Tibetan, Uiygur, and others. > > Would anyone be interested in > seeing such stuff on a CD ROM? > > Ken > > > <image.tiff> > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 In , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: >> Who in our profession do you know that has shared their cases publicly, spoken or written about their trials and errors in clinical practice, talked about their diagnosis and treatment methods? I think those who teach have done so to a significant extent. It's always interesting to see the type of treatment strategy by students in clinic and by practitioners who come to my (and other) seminars. When doing student clinic supervision, I find myself wandering the halls and listening in on different classrooms. There is a great deal of variety and theoretical approaches. >> . . . .sometimes it seems that only CHA is a voice for us to share our experience. I agree. I've been telling Todd this for a long time. This venue has a great potential to grow to shape our profession---possibly as much or more so than printed material because of its accessibility and immediacy. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Dear Jim, Jim: I think those who teach have done so to a significant extent. It's always interesting to see the type of treatment strategy by students in clinic and by practitioners who come to my (and other) seminars. When doing student clinic supervision, I find myself wandering the halls and listening in on different classrooms. There is a great deal of variety and theoretical approaches.Marco: This is part of the infrastructure I was trying to talk about, however out side of that, lot of people at lease that is my impression experience a "unease" to ask and or express... about Chinese medicine. It may be a regional thing and a generational thing, my little experience in England is that there where a small number of active people promoting Chinese medicine these people for some curisidad where also hail as very good in the clinic... My experience where that vary few people where keen on talking out of lecture, a bit like the lecture topic gave legitimisation to talk, but then out of that... I was asked a so call teacher is there such a thing as Yin spleen vacuity? The answer was a condescending of course, but when I asked, and? The person got annoyed and walked away sense we were not in a teaching time I did not pursue. This is just a minor example in a ocean of examples the fact that as a teacher the person did not think of where one can information was very alarming to me... Often people say this is the way it is, a very boring and unintelligible approach. We know by now that there are many ways to Beijing and the body is in constant process and or motion even from a TCM perspective, although admittedly the didactical material is presented as "static- a picture of dis-ease" however suspect is more to do with creating teachings material. Still the reasoning is very often not "made visible". Either way, Does any one know and hence make usage of yin spleen vacuity in the clinic? What is its relation to other aspects within the micro and macro cosmos? any common dis-eases patterns that encompasses yin spleen vacuity? In a way Chinese medicine is a bit like sex everyone wants to be an expert, but it is also a very personal thing and what's more is how to feel one can talk about it (Chinese medicine:-) without being criticise and/ or the feeling on not being criticise in a negative way. hence just like sex which on one hand has been the "same method" ever sense it really is very complex and strictly speaking a science and a art, but also a field filed with "moralising morals" as oppose to ethical morals (personal and society at large), this list is helping to create ethical and do away with unnecessary "moralising morals" with regard to Chinese medicine. By the way the little I know of Chinese medicine and its origin the aspect of sex seam to have had in the past a much more of a influence for health maintaining and "personal development" are there any books on this aspect from reputable and reliable sources? Zev: >> . . . .sometimes it seems that only CHA is a voice for us to share our experience. Jim:I agree. I've been telling Todd this for a long time. This venue has a great potential to grow to shape our profession---possibly as much or more so than printed material because of its accessibility and immediacy.Marco: I agree, the list and those of you that are participating and contributing have been a great help and inspiration if I may say so. Jim and others in what sense do you think it could "grow" and hence contribute even more with regard to shaping the profession? I have considered two things: Via someone for example there is a person in Arizona that has a good social-historical and ligustical background on Chinese medicine. Maybe Herb academy could create a internet course for learning medical Chinese sense it is regular referred to topic and it will give a now push in forming the profession at least potentially (sense some may disagree). It would have to be paid course supposedly out of pocket less the Chinese embassy, to mention "someone", agreed to sponsored the course for example. However I think that many people could benefit from such an development (for example). Also do not know if this exits in China and other Asian countries? But, a "yearbook" of Chinese medicine (here not necessarily related to CHA but some of the topics certainly could be discussed here). Something that interest me which is not necessarily related to above topic: what are the list demographics as in which "member countries" are affiliated to the list i.e. person from Norway, Iran, Tanzania, Nicaragua...? and percentage wise that would be interesting to compare say in 5 years to see if Chinese medicine has spread both in and out side of the English langue speaking world and those that tend to use it as a Maine medium of communication. Regards... Marco bergh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 , " Marco " <bergh@i...> wrote: Maybe Herb academy could create a internet course for learning medical Chinese sense it is regular referred to topic and it will give a now push in forming the profession at least potentially (sense some may disagree). that is an interesting idea. CHA is already an NCCAOM approved provider for online continuing education. I used to offer classes online myself,but have since focused more on faciltiating others teaching. Such a class would have to involve written lessons, homework and interactive time in a virtual classroom. If anyone is interested in designing such a class, I would host and promote it. > > It would have to be paid course supposedly out of pocket but you would get continuing education credits. what are the list demographics as in which " member countries " are affiliated to the list i.e. person from Norway, Iran, Tanzania, Nicaragua...? we do not have complete profiles on most members due to privacy concerns with and the internet. hopefully, when we move to the new server, people will trust the small company hosting us and we will be able to get better demographics. We appear to have people from asia, all the americas, europe, australia, new zealand, britain. I am not sure about africa. > todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 > > Would anyone be interested in > seeing such stuff on a CD ROM? > > Ken Yes, but it would have to be really well edited and well translated. I think American students would be really interested. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Dear Ken, Certainly having these interviews available could only enhance the available knowledge. I know some educational institutions and like minded people who would greatly interested in these. From Australia...a resounding YES. scott Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 In response to Ken's inquiry: I would be interested in the CD set of interviews, but I would be afraid to ask the cost. Mark - yulong Friday, August 30, 2002 7:43 PM Notes on material All,I've recently discovered a series ofvideo taped interviews with dozens ofveteran traditional Chinese medical doctorsin the PRC. They're part of several hundredhours of tape that was produced for a100-part series that was broadcast inChinese a year or two ago by ChinaCentral Television. I've been talkingwith some folks at the Chinesebroadcaster about translating andrepackaging some of this materialfor English language markets,and I'd like to get a sense of thelevel of interest.I haven't seen the whole show yet,but it includes material on thehistory of Chinese medicine,basic theroies, clinical practice,health maintenance, these interviewswith old veteran experts, andmaterial on various other formsof traditional medicine indigenousto parts of China, such as Mongolian,Tibetan, Uiygur, and others.Would anyone be interested inseeing such stuff on a CD ROM?KenChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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