bu yin or xue - lv xue or yin

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Bob (and others),

 

So does gou ji supplement lv blood or lv yin - or both? The Chinese

says: (bu4 gan1 shen4)- it is of course warm, and tonifies kid yang

(category). Bensky says it is CI - for yin xu (w/heat). - But I have

definitely seen sources (less reputable) claim that this herb

tonifies kid and lv yin - which is somewhat understandable from what

you presented below, and wording in American texts (i.e. Bensky -

Tonifies Lv and Kid). - or does it tonify kid yin/yang and lv

yin & xue??? - so does the Chinese help us here?

I do, though, think this comes down to the distinction

between lv blood xu and lv yin xu - Although Bob & Hsu say there is

no difference between the two, I do think there is a difference in

relation to temperature - and accompanying patterns that occur with

each (one). (i.e. yin xu usually occurs w/ heat - and blood xu,

generally speaking, has an element of cold)- It seems to me that most

textbooks makes a distinction between the two, and clinically it

seems essential. If one has yang rising (due to lv xu) - In addition

to actually descending yang, will supplementing the lv with blood

nourishers be as effective and yin enrichers.? Yes there is some

overlap, but the RX would be different, correct? Also wind from

lv/kid yin xu would be treated different than lv xue xu.. correct? Am

I missing something obvious...?

 

-JAson

 

Bob wrote:

 

>

> Bu yin, to supplement yin, is the most generic term. It is the term

> used in most ben cao and fang ji xue texts as chapter heads. Yang

yin

> and zi yin can be used interchangably when talking about

specifically

> bu yin meds. However, as soon as one says yang gan, nourish the

liver,

> we are talking about nourishing liver blood. So, in the case of a

> liver-kidney dual vacuity, if one says nourish the liver and enrich

> the kidneys, one knows this is a liver blood-kidney yang vacuity.

On

> the other hand, if one says nourish the liver and invigorate the

> kidneys, one knows this is a liver blood-kidney yang vacuity. What

I

> was trying to get at with Stephen was that, when Hsu said that some

> yang supplements nourish yin, he was not necessarily saying yin as

in

> bu yin meds but was also implying blood as in blood-supplementing

> meds. Of course, some meds, most notably Di Huang, supplement both.

> But most yin supplements do not, e.g. Xi Yang Shen, Sha Shen, Shi

Hu,

> etc. In B & G, you can tell the yin supplements which nourish the

> blood if B & G use the word " nourish " and mention the liver and

> kidneys.

>

Bob wrote:

 

Perhaps one of the problems is that I don't really accept the notion

of liver yin as a separate concept. As Hsu says on page 577, liver

blood vacuity results in liver yin vacuity and the symptoms are the

same as liver blood vacuity. If that's so, then why talk about liver

yin vacuity? How can there be too different patterns if their signs

and symptoms are the same? In that case, liver blood vacuity and

liver

yin vacuity are synonymous, two different names for essentially one

and the same thing.