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I have 2 questions that I would like some feedback on:

1) I have a recent client who has an anal fissure that developed years ago when he spent a great deal of time riding bikes. He is no longer doing that but still has some bleeding from the fissure upon defacation. Does anyone have any experience treating something similar? I believe that Huai Hua San would stop the bleeding but would that by itself allow for the healing of the fissure or would other herbs be recommended?

 

2) I have ligamentous laxity in my right wrist. I was an orchestral percussionist many years ago and the ligaments "wore down" leaving the joint feeling weak and flimsy upon exertion. I actually seem to feel the bones knocking around at times if I play percussion. Alon mentioned use of e-stim. I am completely ignorant in that area and would appreciate any guidance and further info regarding that or other treatment methods.

 

Neil

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I have ligamentous laxity in my right wrist. I was an orchestral percussionist many years ago and the ligaments "wore down" leaving the joint feeling weak and flimsy upon exertion. I actually seem to feel the bones knocking around at times if I play percussion. Alon mentioned use of e-stim. I am completely ignorant in that area and would appreciate any guidance and further info regarding that or other treatment methods

>>>You have two options. The first is to strongly stimulate the bone ligament junctions with a thick gauge needle with or without local + node stimulation.

 

The better and less painful alternative is to have somebody inject prolifernt solution such as glucose instead. It works better, more reliable and less painful

Alon

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> Huai Hua San and Ligamentous laxity

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> I have 2 questions that I would like some feedback on:

> 1) I have a recent client who has an anal fissure that

> developed years ago when he spent a great deal of time riding

> bikes. He is no longer doing that but still has some

> bleeding from the fissure upon defacation. Does anyone have

> any experience treating something similar?

 

We treated this once in school clinic, and the patient refused to do

western treatment. The problem was he had a fistulotomy and the healing

never completed, due to anal intercourse. My teacher and I cleaned it

out (don't try that at home) and would pack the wound with some kind of

herbal cream that my teacher stocked in his clinic. I don't remember

what it was called, but if you like, I can find out. Problem is each

time the patient deficates, the fissure is going to be stressed and

probably reinjured and then bleed again. I think sutures and stool

softeners are going to be necessary in conjunction with your treatment.

 

> 2) I have ligamentous laxity in my right wrist. I was an

> orchestral percussionist many years ago and the ligaments

> " wore down " leaving the joint feeling weak and flimsy upon

> exertion. I actually seem to feel the bones knocking around

> at times if I play percussion. Alon mentioned use of e-stim.

> I am completely ignorant in that area and would appreciate

> any guidance and further info regarding that or other

> treatment methods.

 

I have the same thing, but it's in my neck. Alon mentioned some kind of

injection for that - could you forward that again? I have some

hypermobility of some ligaments in my neck (according to a chiropractor

& x-ray), and it makes a cracking noise each time I rotate my head past

the midline. Worse in the AM, better later in the day. I was thinking

along the lines of Wind - I'm just guessing that's what they mean when

they say Wind Bi causing noise in the joints.

 

Geoff

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and it makes a cracking noise each time I rotate my head pastthe midline. Worse in the AM, better later in the day. I was thinkingalong the lines of Wind - I'm just guessing that's what they mean whenthey say Wind Bi causing noise in the joints

>>>The noise has nothing to do with ligamentous laxity. If you have laxity that can be demonstrated by xray (i am assuming he did stress exrays which are the only way to see this) the only treatment that would truly work is prolo therapy. Dry needling, acupuncture, herbs and manual therapy (I hope you chiro is not popping your neck) will only give you temporary relief. Depending on how lax your joints are prolo therapy may give you complete lasting effects. Prolo is an injection technique were you inject an irritant into the ligaments

Alon

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Alon,

 

, " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Prolo is an injection technique were you inject an irritant into the

> ligaments

 

Are herbal injections near affected ligaments considered a type of

Prolotherapy?

 

Fernando

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Are herbal injections near affected ligaments considered a type of Prolotherapy

>>>Perhaps especially che chin Zi as it has been shown to cause proliferation. However, Dextrose works well and is proven and safe

alon

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I've known several people who had prolotherapy done. As I understand it, it is injections IN the ligaments in order to strengthen them by creating irritation/scar tissue in the ligament. It's quite painful, but seems effective. (But one person had it done in the thoracic area and the doctor gave her a pneumothorax by mistake which of course wasn't fun either!)

--Jody Herriott

 

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Alon Marcus

Sunday, September 15, 2002 4:47 PM

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Are herbal injections near affected ligaments considered a type of Prolotherapy

>>>Perhaps especially che chin Zi as it has been shown to cause proliferation. However, Dextrose works well and is proven and safe

alonChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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creating irritation/scar tissue

>>>First there are only a few Dr that are good at prolo therapy and you should be very careful in who you see.

Second prolo does not cause scar tissue if the patient moves the area. You get ligament tissues with large nuclei This has been proven Tom Dorman by biopsy

alon

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Neil,

1) you could have the patient try san qi powder(radix notoginseng),mixed w/ warm water and applied as a paste, along with taking the Huai Hua san. Also, alternating with applications of homeopathic calendula ointment, and/or homeopathic hamamelis('witchhazel') ointment applied after having cleansed the area.

 

John P

 

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Neil Pregozen

Friday, September 13, 2002 2:03 PM

Huai Hua San and Ligamentous laxity

 

I have 2 questions that I would like some feedback on:

1) I have a recent client who has an anal fissure that developed years ago when he spent a great deal of time riding bikes. He is no longer doing that but still has some bleeding from the fissure upon defacation. Does anyone have any experience treating something similar? I believe that Huai Hua San would stop the bleeding but would that by itself allow for the healing of the fissure or would other herbs be recommended?

 

2) I have ligamentous laxity in my right wrist. I was an orchestral percussionist many years ago and the ligaments "wore down" leaving the joint feeling weak and flimsy upon exertion. I actually seem to feel the bones knocking around at times if I play percussion. Alon mentioned use of e-stim. I am completely ignorant in that area and would appreciate any guidance and further info regarding that or other treatment methods.

 

Neil Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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