Sionneau on decoctions

[Guest guest]

This is an interesting thing, Alon, and I wonder if there is any data on dosage comparsions of western drugs between China and the West. I wonder if the Chinese are more sensitive to pharmaceuticals because they've taken them a lot less in the past, and therefore react more quickly

>>>There is lots of data. We do not know why their livers metabolize many biomedical drugs differently then we do. I have always heard that perhaps Chinese need higher herbal dosage is because of a long history of use and thus the development of enzyme system that metabolize the herbs faster.

Alon

[Guest guest]

I use the Kan water/alcohol extracts primarily in my practice,

secondarily decoctions, thirdly the KPC powders and pills. I have very

good results with the Kan extracts, and I am dealing with 'real'

clinical cases, chronic conditions. The extracts are quite potent and

easy to take when herbs are required for a longer term.

 

I think it is important to learn raw herb decoction prescribing and

modifications at the student level, and practice maximum flexibility in

prescribing in clinical practice with different delivery systems. The

more flexibility, the better the results. Potency and dosage are

issues, of course.

 

For me, perhaps the strongest herbal preparations I have ever taken

were the Tibetan herbs, which were given in large pills. They were

very strong tasting and very aromatic. Other herbal systems

(Greco-Arabic, Tibetan, Ayurvedic) don't rely on decoctions, so I don't

think there is anything wrong with using other delivery systems.

 

Of course, decoctions are easiest to modify, but there are ways around

this problem with the powders and to some degree the liquid extracts.

 

 

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 07:11 AM, WMorris116 wrote:

 

> Dear Colleagues,

>

> This statement seems rather odd and causes me to question the nature

> of experience that leads to such a conclusion. I have seen 'miracle

> cures' from patents such as huo xiang zheng qi pian, xiao chai  hu

> tang, bu zhong yi qi tang, tang kuei gin, various ching fei formulas,

> long dan xie gan pian, and piantouteng wan. Even sang ju yin can

> produce a 'miracle cure' when correctly prescribed and dosed.  

[Guest guest]

This is an interesting thing, Alon, and I wonder if there is any data

on dosage comparsions of western drugs between China and the West. I

wonder if the Chinese are more sensitive to pharmaceuticals because

they've taken them a lot less in the past, and therefore react more

quickly.

 

George Vithoulkas mentions in " Science of Homeopathy " that he found

that Greek peasants responded much more quickly to homeopathic

remedies, because of a simpler lifestyle and less exposure to

pharmaceutical medications, pesticides and industrial poisons.

 

 

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 08:11 AM, Alon Marcus wrote:

 

> We speculated that Chinese patients might be more used to the herbs

> from using a lot more of them in food, etc, and therefore need more to

> create a change in their system

> >>>there may be genetic differences as they need much lower dosages of

> western meds

> alon

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