qi ye lian

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I am looking for accurate information on Qi Ye Lian, Herba

Schefflerae Arboricolae. Neither Bensky nor my other herbal texts

have this listed. I would like actions, indications, dosages and

contraindications if you have them.

 

Thanks,

 

Scott Blunk, LAc.

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, " scott_s_blunk " <jinyinhua@a...> wrote:

> I am looking for accurate information on Qi Ye Lian, Herba

> Schefflerae Arboricolae. Neither Bensky nor my other herbal texts

> have this listed. I would like actions, indications, dosages and

> contraindications if you have them.

 

 

I couldn't find a reference either, I even tried the Shen Nong Ben Cao Jing just

for fun. I did find this link on the web for Radix Schefflerae Arboricola

 

http://herb.damo-qigong.net/g001.htm

 

The root and leaf of Schefflera arboricola Hayata, family Araliaceae:

 

Characteristics

A vine shrub, 3 meters high. Stem terete, longitudinally striated. Leaves

palmately compound, altemate; leaflets 7-9, long- obovate, 6-10 cm long,

reticulate veins distinct. Bitter and sweet in taste, warm in nature.

 

Indication

1. Promote blood circulation and remove blood stasis, expel wind and alleviate

pain: For rheumatism, trauma, headache, and other pains. Recently, also used for

abdominal and biliary colics, and trigeminal neuralgia.

2. Relieve asthma: For bronchial asthma and asthmatic bronchitis.

 

Pharmacological Action

1. Analgesic.

2. Sedative.

3. Antispasmodic.

 

Administration Decoction: 15-30g

Injection: 2 ml (equivalent to 10-20g of crude herb) IM 1-3 times daily.

 

Sorry I couldn't find more,

Tim

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Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian says (I'm only going to translate a bit of it

here):

 

" Schefflera arboricola Hayata, Scefflera venulosa Harms

 

slightly bitter, warm

 

expell wind and damp, invigorate blood and stop pain. Treats wind

damp bi-pain, stomach pain, die-da bone injury, external injury with

bleeding.

 

Internal use: decoction 3-5 qian (9-15grams).

External use: poultice on affected area.

 

caution during preganancy. "

 

That's the basic info. I would like to put this out there as some of

you may have run in to this as well: some herb powder companies mix up

Qi Ye Lian and Qi Ye Yi Zhi Hua. These are NOT the same. I know for

a fact that Lotus/Evergreen has this problem, as does KPC. KPC has

been alerted to this by Andy Ellis (according to folks at Spring

Wind), but Evergreen is still mixing these up as far as I know. I

wanted to order Qi Ye Yi Zhi Hua powder and called Lotus to see if

they carried it. They told me that it's the same as Qi Ye Lian, which

I was sure it wasn't. I checked Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian and confirmed

that info, and then called to talk to John Chen at lotus to alert him

to what his staff had told me. He proceeded to tell me that they were

the same, even after I told him I had checked ZYDCD. After that I

decided not to order from them anymore (I've never particularly liked

their product anyway). Then I ordered some Qi Ye Yi Zhi Hua from KPC

and was amazed/disturbed to find the labeling on the bottle to be a

bizzare mix of these two herbs. The lid says Qi Ye Lian in Chinese.

The front and side of the label use pinyin Zao Xiu (which is another

name for Qi Ye Yi Zhi Hua), and the Chinese says Qi Ye Yi Zhi Hua.

Then the front says Paris, which is Qi Ye Lian, and the side says

Schefflerae.... So I called KPC and they didn't know, but they told

me to call Spring Wind, and apparently they've had others call as well

because they instantly knew what I was going to ask as soon as I

mentioned these herbs. They said KPC was aware of the problem and

should be fixing the labels.

 

Hope this is of some use. :-)

 

Greg

 

 

, " tcmmeiguoren " <doctortim@a...> wrote:

> , " scott_s_blunk " <jinyinhua@a...>

wrote:

> > I am looking for accurate information on Qi Ye Lian, Herba

> > Schefflerae Arboricolae. Neither Bensky nor my other herbal texts

> > have this listed. I would like actions, indications, dosages and

> > contraindications if you have them.

>

>

> I couldn't find a reference either, I even tried the Shen Nong Ben

Cao Jing just for fun. I did find this link on the web for Radix

Schefflerae Arboricola

>

> http://herb.damo-qigong.net/g001.htm

>

> The root and leaf of Schefflera arboricola Hayata, family

Araliaceae:

>

> Characteristics

> A vine shrub, 3 meters high. Stem terete, longitudinally striated.

Leaves palmately compound, altemate; leaflets 7-9, long- obovate, 6-10

cm long, reticulate veins distinct. Bitter and sweet in taste, warm in

nature.

>

> Indication

> 1. Promote blood circulation and remove blood stasis, expel wind and

alleviate pain: For rheumatism, trauma, headache, and other pains.

Recently, also used for abdominal and biliary colics, and trigeminal

neuralgia.

> 2. Relieve asthma: For bronchial asthma and asthmatic bronchitis.

>

> Pharmacological Action

> 1. Analgesic.

> 2. Sedative.

> 3. Antispasmodic.

>

> Administration Decoction: 15-30g

> Injection: 2 ml (equivalent to 10-20g of crude herb) IM 1-3 times

daily.

>

[Guest guest]

In Belanger's Chinese Herb Selection Guide there are a couple of other

notes, in addition to what is noted below.

 

Indications: Musculoskeletal, Pain, Stomachache, Trauma, Bites,

Poisonings

 

Indications: Headaches (Neurogenic, Occipital Neuralgia, Migraine);

Bronchitis; Mental State / Neurological Disorders - Anticonvulsive,

Hypnotic, Sedative, Trigeminal Neuralgia; Pain - Analgesic. Under notes

it mentions: Nausea Possible - take after meals; Drowsiness Possible.

 

Geoff

 

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>

> Message: 2

> Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:03:46 -0000

> " shoushou68 " <shanren

> Re: qi ye lian

>

> Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian says (I'm only going to translate a bit of it

> here):

>

> " Schefflera arboricola Hayata, Scefflera venulosa Harms

>

> slightly bitter, warm

>

> expell wind and damp, invigorate blood and stop pain. Treats wind

> damp bi-pain, stomach pain, die-da bone injury, external injury with

> bleeding.

>

> Internal use: decoction 3-5 qian (9-15grams).

> External use: poultice on affected area.

>

> caution during preganancy. "

>

> That's the basic info.

[Guest guest]

Qi Ye Lian and Pain

>>>I have used the may way version many times with only mild to mix results

Alon

[Guest guest]

Dear list,

 

I'd like to point out the seemingly common found confusion between Qi Ye

Lian and Qi Ye Yi Zhi Hua (aka Zao Xiu). I posted something about this a

while back and suggest to those interested to use the CHA search engine

to find the post(s) (search for either Qi Ye Lian or Qi Ye Yi Zhi Hua and

you should be able to find it). In short, many powder/granule herb

companies (and possibly others) have confused these two herbs (KPC

included, although they are aware of the problem and are in the process

of rectifying it). They are NOT the same, as I have heard suggested

(although not on this list, BTW). However it seems there is still some

confusion on this list and with some of the recent posts. Qi Ye

Lian/Schefflera, according to ZYDCD, is slightly bitter and warm, expels

wind and damp, invigorates blood and stops pain. Qi Ye Yi Zhi Hua/Zao

Xiu/Paris is, again from ZYDCD, bitter, spicy, cold, toxic, clear heat

and toxin, pacify wheezing and stop cough, calm wind and settle fright.

It's a common anti cancer herb. These are two very different herbs,

obviously, and I hope this helps clear up the confusion.

 

Greg