Shang Han Sweating

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In , " James Ramholz " <jramholz> wrote:

> I don't have Wiseman in front of me, but Him-che Yeung lists the

> emotions (with examples) of herbs in his Handbook of Chinese Herbs

as

> Mutual reinforcement

> Assistance

> Mutual restraint

> Neutralization

> Counteraction

> Incompatibility

 

 

Oops, I forgot one. The list for 7 emotions or affects (qi qing)

should be:

Going alone (dan xing)

Mutual need (xiang xu)

Empowering (xiang shi)

Fear (xiang wei)

Aversion (xiang wu)

Killing (xiang sha)

Clashing (xiang fan)

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Alon,

 

The

inclusion of echinacea in the formula was as much of a marketing decision as a

therapeutic choice given that this product was being developed for OTC

use. China’s market has an

irrational fascination with “western” ingredients and products, unlike the US

and Europe which like familiarity.

In fact I personally believe the formula mentioned would not be

compromised therapeutically if the echinacea and renshen were omitted. However the pharmaceutical company that

licensed the product took out the han fang ji and huang qi because of safety

concerns.

 

Stephen

 

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Alon Marcus

[alonmarcus]

Sunday, November 10, 2002

9:32 AM

To:

 

Re:

Re: Shang Han Sweating

 

echinacea

>>>Is it in a TCM pharmacopoeia?

 

>>>>Out

of curiosity what made them add it in China? Do they import it from the west?

Alon

 

 

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Stephen wrote:

 

>>>However the pharmaceutical company that licensed the product took out

the han fang ji and huang qi because of safety concerns.<<<

 

What's the problem with Huang Qi?

 

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Al Stone L.Ac.

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Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

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>>>However the pharmaceutical company that licensed the product took out

the han fang ji and huang qi because of safety concerns.<<<

 

What's the problem with Huang Qi?

 

Al,

 

That was certainly a question I had as well. It turns out that a Hospital

in Urumuqi, a fairly remote small city in northwestern China (I've actually

been there to look at some herb growing areas) did research to test the

mutagenicity of a number of Chinese herbs and huang qi showed up in their

tests to promote mutagenesis. It was published in a peer reviewed journal

and therefore triggered a potential liability problem for them. It took me

6 months to get a copy of the study but it did implicate huang qi, the

mongolicus strain. Nevertheless, I personally dismiss this relevance of the

data as suspect based on the correlation of the methodology to the effects

of the substances when metabolized by humans. However, I believe that

substances like huang qi that upregulate immune function fairly

significantly should not be taken every day continuously over the long term.

The immune system apparently needs a break at least every 3 to 4 weeks for 5

to 7 days. Below is the abstract.

 

Stephen Morrissey

 

 

 

Yin XJ Liu DX Wang HC Zhou Y

A study on the mutagenicity of 102 raw pharmaceuticals used in

Chinese traditional medicine.

 

In: Mutat Res (1991 May) 260(1):73-82

 

ISSN: 0027-5107

 

The mutagenic potential of traditional Chinese drugs was studied.

After extraction with boiling water and frozen vacuum drying,

preparations from 102 raw drugs were tested with the Ames test, and

the micronucleus and chromosomal aberration assays in mice in vivo.

Astragalus mongholicus Bunge (+S9), Sophora japonica L. (+/- S9) and

Eucommia ulmoides Oliv. (+/- S9) were found to significantly induce

His+ revertants in Salmonella typhimurium TA98 and/or TA100. Besides

these 3, 10 other extracts were positive in the chromosomal

aberration and micronucleus assays in mice. They are Datura metal L.,

Artemisia capillaris Thunb., Carthamus tinctorius L., Forsythia

suspensa Thumb., Rehmannia glutinosa f. Hueichingensis (fermented),

Paeonia suffruticosa Andr., Platycodon grandiflorum Jacq. DC.,

Cinnamomum mairei Levl., Notopterygium incisium Ting., and Sophora

flavescens Ait. The relevance of these findings is discussed.

 

Registry Numbers: 9007-49-2 (DNA)

 

Institutional address:

Laboratory of Medical Genetics

Western Region Hospital

Urumuqi

People's Republic of China.

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were tested with the Ames test

>>>Many approved FDA drugs are mutageic on Ames test

 

 

Yes, that’s

true. But, the FDA approval they

receive changes their liability exposure.

And, the potential profits from drug sales makes it financially feasible

to factor in a very large liability insurance premium.

 

Stephen

 

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Stephen

\>>Thanks

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were tested with the Ames test

>>>Many approved FDA drugs are mutageic on Ames test

Alon