Dosing herb granule extracts- again...

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I apologize for belaboring the whole dose issue regarding herb powder

extracts, but I'm curious to know what different people are doing out

there because I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this. I

did

a search of the archives but was unable to come up with a

satisfactory

answer to my question(s), so here goes.

 

I'm sure everyone is familiar with the 6-10 gram per day protocol

suggested by various granule companies. I'm quite clear about how to

apply this method but would enjoy hearing people's experiences using

this. I personally don't quite get the logic behind this method and

am not terribly comfortable using it.

 

What I'm more interested in, and what we (Huiyu and I) have sort of

been doing, is what Todd has often talked about, and that is dosing

like a loose herb formula- i.e., 5:1 extracts, divide the loose/raw

herb dose by five and you've got the herb powder dose. This can lead

to huge amounts of powder to be taken on a daily basis, which is

expensive and really goes way over the amounts suggested by these

herb

companies, and so what I've been doing with fairly good results, is

supposing that, in most cases, one bag of loose herbs can be boiled

twice and taken for two days, and so I end up figuring the daily

powder dose by dividing the loose/raw herb dose by ten instead of

five

(is everyone following me here?).

 

Example. Here is a formula an old Chinese doctor friend of ours gave

to a patient the other day. He only uses loose/raw herbs. How would

you determine the dose for it?

 

Dan Shen 9g

Dang Shen 9g

Xuan Shen 9g

Tian Dong 9g

Mai Dong 9g

Chao Zao Ren 12g

Bai Zi Ren 9g

Yuan Zhi 6g

Yan Hu Suo 6g

Sheng Di 9g

Shu Di 9g

Long Gu 30g

Mu Li 30g

Xiao Mai 30g

Da Zao 30g

Sheng Gan Cao 9g

Jie Geng 6g

Dang Gui 9g

Bai Shao 18g

Wu Wei Zi 9g

 

Now this is a rather large formula and was to be boiled twice and

taken one bag for two days, and if I followed my method the patient

would end up taking 26.7g of 5:1 extract per day (267g loose herb

divided by 10= 26.7 grams of 5:1 extract per day).

 

We would love to hear how different people would handle this

particular situation, as well as other examples and methods. Thank

you all so much for your help.

 

Greg and Huiyu

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companies, and so what I've been doing with fairly good results, is supposing that, in most cases, one bag of loose herbs can be boiled twice and taken for two days

>>This is how i used to do row herbs and do my powders

Alon

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Long Gu 30gMu Li 30g>>>These can be given i much smaller dose when using powder extracts

Alon

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Now this is a rather large formula and was to be boiled twice and taken one bag for two days, and if I followed my method the patient would end up taking 26.7g

<<I have given upto 20g per day for severe cases. Never did more than that

Alon

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Alon,

 

Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I kind of guessed that Long

Gu/Mu Li and other heavy, mineral/stone/bone,etc substances could be

given in relatively smaller doses, but it's nice to hear someone else

say this. I have occasionally given over 20g of powder per day to

patients and have had no adverse reactions, on the contrary, seem to

have obtained good results. Do you think it's a bad idea, or even

unsafe, to give over 20g per day?

 

Thanks again,

 

Greg

 

 

, " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Now this is a rather large formula and was to be boiled twice and

> taken one bag for two days, and if I followed my method the patient

> would end up taking 26.7g

> <<I have given upto 20g per day for severe cases. Never did more

than that

>

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I have occasionally given over 20g of powder per day to patients and have had no adverse reactions, on the contrary, seem to have obtained good results. Do you think it's a bad idea, or even unsafe, to give over 20g per day?>>>>No I do not has I have had about 30 or so patients in the last 10 years, that I have been using powders, taking these kind of doses for extended periods. Its a question of compliance as it tends to get thick. I think if taking very high dose decoction is safe the powders are the same, unless they are sprayed on something that is unsafe

Alon

 

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, " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> I have occasionally given over 20g of powder per day to

> patients and have had no adverse reactions, on the contrary, seem to

> have obtained good results. Do you think it's a bad idea, or even

> unsafe, to give over 20g per day?

>

 

 

It's no problem. this dose is recommended by Subhuti Dharmananda for

many serious illnesses.