Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 We have powdered hu po in our pharmacy.. How are other administering this herb? I have been giving additional capsules to take with the rest of the decoction... are there any problems with decocting it?? Long gu: we also have a powdered version. If decocted what dose modifications would one make becuase of it being powdered?? I have been cutting it in half, but I am guessing. Has anyone learned/read anything about this? thanx, -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 " " wrote: > > We have powdered hu po in our pharmacy.. How are other administering this herb? I have been giving additional capsules to take with the rest of the decoction... are there any problems with decocting it?? Giving additional capsules makes sense to me. However I've gotten consistantly good responses (to dream disturbed sleep) with the addition of the powdered Hu Po directly into the capsules with the rest of the herbs. Now, since I assume that the herb extracts are 5:1 potency, if I want equal therapeutic amounts of " herb A " and Hu Po, I'd have to put in five times as much Hu Po by weight. That always seemed a bit much to me and so I started to simply double the Hu Po. Like I say, the therapeutic results have been okay. As for my Long Gu and Mu Li, I have extracts on those. The only other powdered herbs that I use are Xi Yang Shen and Chuan Bei Mu. Again, I double the dosage, keeping an eye also on the total amount consumed in one day, just to make sure I'm not overdoing it. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 >Giving additional capsules makes sense to me. However I've gotten >consistantly good responses (to dream disturbed sleep) with the addition >of the powdered Hu Po directly into the capsules with the rest of the >herbs. just to be clear, this is powdered hu po, not powdered extracts - (I think you got that).. and the other herbs are in decoction.. What I am wondering if it is harmful/loss of potency to decoct... Now, since I assume that the herb extracts are 5:1 potency, if I >want equal therapeutic amounts of " herb A " and Hu Po, I'd have to put in >five times as much Hu Po by weight. So are you talking about just raw powdered hu po? Are You using extracts for other herbs (in capsules) and adding hu po powdered to it? 5 times more hu po ?? Dose is quite small right? <3g That always seemed a bit much to me >and so I started to simply double the Hu Po. Like I say, the therapeutic >results have been okay. > >As for my Long Gu and Mu Li, I have extracts on those. The only other >powdered herbs that I use are Xi Yang Shen and Chuan Bei Mu. Again, I >double the dosage, keeping an eye also on the total amount consumed in >one day, just to make sure I'm not overdoing it. Double the dose of the powdered? SO you are using lets say 2 grams of each herb pwded and then you will add to it 4 grams of xi yang shen.. That is if you want equal 10grams each or so... ?? -JAson _______________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Jason, Regarding long gu/mu li: if it’s already powdered then I use a “regular’ amount. Say 6-15 grams or qian. Powdering makes the product more available in a decoction and in my experience, if used in normal higher dosages then it can be too sedating. It is also more cost effective this way, and avoids cooking the shells and bones for an hour first. We tea bag the powders to prevent the formula from becoming too mucky. Back in the day, Before we had a teabag sealer we used to wrap the herbs in coffee filters tied w/ dental floss. Cara >Giving additional capsules makes sense to me. However I've gotten >consistantly good responses (to dream disturbed sleep) with the addition >of the powdered Hu Po directly into the capsules with the rest of the >herbs. just to be clear, this is powdered hu po, not powdered extracts - (I think you got that).. and the other herbs are in decoction.. What I am wondering if it is harmful/loss of potency to decoct... Now, since I assume that the herb extracts are 5:1 potency, if I >want equal therapeutic amounts of " herb A " and Hu Po, I'd have to put in >five times as much Hu Po by weight. So are you talking about just raw powdered hu po? Are You using extracts for other herbs (in capsules) and adding hu po powdered to it? 5 times more hu po ?? Dose is quite small right? <3g That always seemed a bit much to me >and so I started to simply double the Hu Po. Like I say, the therapeutic >results have been okay. > >As for my Long Gu and Mu Li, I have extracts on those. The only other >powdered herbs that I use are Xi Yang Shen and Chuan Bei Mu. Again, I >double the dosage, keeping an eye also on the total amount consumed in >one day, just to make sure I'm not overdoing it. Double the dose of the powdered? SO you are using lets say 2 grams of each herb pwded and then you will add to it 4 grams of xi yang shen.. That is if you want equal 10grams each or so... ?? -JAson _______________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 wrote: > Double the dose of the powdered? SO you are using lets say 2 grams of each > herb pwded and then you will add to it 4 grams of xi yang shen.. That is if > you want equal 10grams each or so... ?? Definitions: herb extracts - powders that have an assumed 5:1 potency herb powders - powders of ground-up herbs that have a 1:1 potency. Yeah, really we should multiply the dosage of the raw powdered herbs by five to make it as much of the formula as it should be, but I've gotten good results with just doubling it, perhaps because of what Cara mentioned with increased surface area exposure. I've had good results with the Chuan Bei Mu done this way too, though it is more difficult to know for sure if it was the herbs or not since dry coughs don't often last forever. The dream disturbed sleep going away with Hu Po is easier to moniter. As for Xi Yang Shen's efficacy done this way, I don't have any real stats to share with you. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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