minerals and bugs are not extractable

February 18, 2003

On 2/18/03 3:13 AM, " "

wrote:

> As for my Long Gu and Mu Li, I have extracts on those.

It's my understanding that the minerals, saps and bugs cannot be extracted

and that the powders we get from KPC, brion etc are simply ground up herbs,

i.e. Not 5.1.

Sharon

February 18, 2003

I think you’re right about that

Cara

It's my understanding that the minerals, saps and bugs cannot be extracted

and that the powders we get from KPC, brion etc are simply ground up herbs,

i.e. Not 5.1.

Sharon

February 18, 2003

Can somebody explain why one couldn't make an extract powder of something that we do water "extractions" of every day for our patients. Are mineral/bug/sap ingredients "vibrational"? Is their physical presence substantially different? I don't doubt the efficacy here... I just wonder why it doesn't work.

Par Scott

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Sharon Weizenbaum

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:43 AM

Re: minerals and bugs are not extractable

On 2/18/03 3:13 AM, wrote:> As for my Long Gu and Mu Li, I have extracts on those.It's my understanding that the minerals, saps and bugs cannot be extractedand that the powders we get from KPC, brion etc are simply ground up herbs,i.e. Not 5.1. SharonChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

February 18, 2003

, " Par Scott " <parufus@e...>

wrote:

> Can somebody explain why one couldn't make an extract powder of

something that we do water " extractions " of every day for our patients.

I do not believe this information is completely correct. bugs definitely can be

extracted and concentrated. however minerals may not be concentrated

perhaps. if you dissolve a salt, then evaporate the fluid, you have the same

amount of salt you started with. so they do extract in water, you just can't

increase the concentration. On the other hand, these herbs are more active in

powder form taken dry than in decoction, so I bet the reduced powder dose is

still reasonably comparable to decoction. However, bug and sap constituents

can definitely be concentrated, so I have not heard this concern before. What

about resins like mo yao, though? Perhaps Dan or Teresa from honso can

lets us know the answer to these questions? Where did you guys hear this?

Always consider the source. I have read and heard a lot of misinformation

about granules, but it almost always comes from manufacturers of other

product forms.

February 18, 2003

I has been my experience that there is a lot of misinformation that is either "planted" from competitors, learned from naive reps, or, even more common, rumors. It is best to ask the manufacturer these sorts of questions directly (hoping you can get a good answer). And each manufacturer may even differ slightly. 50 + years of pharmaceutical quality extraction procedures most likely doesn't end up with a simple grinding of materials. It should be kept in mind that of the 250 or so herb extraction companies in Taiwan alone, only a couple do it here in the US. That is only to mean that in Taiwan, as well as Japan, there are more strict rules, procedures, and laws that are enforced with this sort of herbal extraction. The materials are most certainly manufactured as claimed with so many watchful eyes - that are worn by the goverment aganecies, as well as, the competition. I am not an expert here, just have a bit of experience regarding this.

Thanks for the intersesting forum you have contructed. I have fun reading all of the messages.

" <" < wrote:

, "Par Scott" <parufus@e...> wrote:> Can somebody explain why one couldn't make an extract powder of something that we do water "extractions" of every day for our patients.I do not believe this information is completely correct. bugs definitely can be extracted and concentrated. however minerals may not be concentrated perhaps. if you dissolve a salt, then evaporate the fluid, you have the same amount of salt you started with. so they do extract in water, you just can't increase the concentration. On the other hand, these herbs are more active in powder form taken dry than in decoction, so I bet the reduced powder dose is still reasonably comparable to decoction. However, bug and sap constituents can definitely be concentrated, so I have not heard this concern before. What about resins like mo yao, though? Perhaps Dan or Teresa from honso can lets us know the answer to these questions? Where did you guys hear this? Always consider the source. I have read and heard a lot of misinformation about granules, but it almost always comes from manufacturers of other product forms.ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.