Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 All, > I was wondering if > I'm missing something here... where's the Qi? Neither treatment stimulated > the needle until 'de qi'. I think it is acupuncture that is missing. What a research trial tests is the " null hypothesis, " demonstrating that there is a difference between treatment and not. To claim a treatment effect there needs to be a statistically significant difference between the results measured in the treatment group and the controls. To do needle controlled acupuncture trials while actually performing acupuncture you need to test an irrelevant treatment against a real treatment and a control. This requires multiple groups, more patients, and acupuncturists who are actually performing a treatment to the best of their ability. That is more expensive, more time consuming, and requires a study design that involves a significant level of treatment knowledge. Keep in mind that I am discussing only " needle controls " (or so-called " sham acupuncture " ) not " outcome studies " where the comparison is to a known standard therapy. Dr. Tiquia's post aside, " de qi " is described as either a patient-sensed reaction or a clinician-sensed reaction and the Harvard placebo needle protocol eliminates both. There's no " almost, " somebody feels something. I'm not sure what they consider the blind in this, but it seems unreasonable to think that someone believes they are actually being treated with washers! What the Katpchuck approach does accomplish is a low-cost trial that is independent of acupuncturists, or acupuncture. Indeed, I wonder if the study design -- the absence of acupuncture in effect -- doesn't render it impossible to " prove " anything other than that acupuncture is a placebo. Bob bob Paradigm Publications www.paradigm-pubs.com 44 Linden Street Robert L. Felt Brookline MA 02445 617-738-4664 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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