Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 , " " wrote: > Why do you consider the midocodria as a kidney yang function?>>> Jason: I'm playing with two ideas here: scale (fractals) and fitting the connections into an abstract 5-Phases kind of equation. The mitochondria is the water element on the scale of the cell. It helps store energy and convert it to a useable form like the kidney yin and yang. The Kidney stores qi through its association with Dan Tian, and kindey yang is associated with the adrenals and is considered the root of spleen yang. And, similarly, it receives direct communication (oxygen) from the lung as there is in 5-Phases Mother-Son rule, coming from outside of the cell (Heaven) to the deepest level. Lung is open to Heaven. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I don't think there is any argument there. Researchers in complexity are scientists, trained in reductionism. However, when one reads such authors as complexity scientist John Holland, he has strong critiques of research methods that tend to limit conclusions to what is already known about phenomena. There are two types of thinkers in this world. Those who paint broadstrokes of inspiration, and those who excel in details. To unify them is ideal, but difficult. Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 08:28 AM, wrote: > I agree that the science of complexity > will probably allow us to do more a sophisticated analysis of > polypharmacy > formulas and how they act, but I think it is an error to think > complexity science > is an abandonment of reductionism. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 One of the more interesting parallels I've seen relatively recently is not from pulse diagnosis. It is the one between the way oxygen is taken in by the lungs and sent through the circulation to the mitochondria of all cells where ADP is converted to ATP (glucose + oxygen + ADP = carbon dioxide + water + ATP). If we consider the mitochondria as an example of Kidney yang function, then this is a parallel to the CM notion that the lung sends qi to the kidney and the kidney grasps the qi.Jim Ramholz Nice. Thank you. This begins a dialogue between first principles. Emmanuel Segmen Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I won't touch the reality of meridians,but one thing about herbs is clear: if you remove the biochemicals, they don't do anything, so they must be dependent in some way on these biochemicals. I agree that the science of complexity will probably allow us to do more a sophisticated analysis of polypharmacy formulas and how they act, but I think it is an error to think complexity science is an abandonment of reductionism. >>>This discussion by enlarge ignores the volumes work out there on TCM pharmacology, clinical observations, negative effects on liver and kidney function etc. While it "feel"good to think of herbs as a wholly different world, we cant ignore information. alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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